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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by Muromec »

smallstepforman wrote: post #231
Muromec wrote: post #169

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\One thing that logic would dictate though is that Russia would be extremely low on the list of suspects since they gain nothing and are negatively affected in every manner possible by being in any way behind such actions. They are known for actions that negatively affect them and everyone around. That's kinda their whole thing.

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Look, for me this shit is personal. I am the person whose life the |redacted| makes worse. I get that boring explaination is not exciting to you for the reasons of neurological kind, this is a good enough model with predictive properties that help me be alive and have all my body parts in the factory installed places

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Post by Muromec »

pestatije wrote: post #158
paganel wrote: post #142

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its been mentioned ad-nauseam that wildberries also sells to the military... where have you been hiding?

If it didn't it still have to burn as a retaliation for nova poshta, malls and energy generation.

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Post by cpursley »

koiueo wrote: post #287
cpursley wrote: post #253

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Russia is not even in the top 20 countries who consume the most alcohol: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-c...

Yet the one who is the most proud of it

What nonsense. Plenty of nations brag about their drinking prowess, have you ever met a Fin or a Swede, Irish, Bostonian? The worst behaving drinkers I've ever been around are the British.

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Post by subscribed »

paganel wrote: post #323
subscribed wrote: post #308

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One side is primarily targeting civilians and infrastructure, also committing acts of war crimes, other is targeting exclusively infrastructure used by the military. Yeah, yeah, I know you'd love to paint your comrades as the poor military attacked from the all sides, but we all know had they not invade Crimea and then start all-out war against civilian targets, they'd live peacefully today. I hope western countries…

> I hope western countries will respond in kind with the mass sabotage acts I live in Bucharest, the closest NATO capital to the clusterfuck in Southern Ukraine, when you'll get conscripted/when you'll volunteer and when you'll arrive here at Bucharest Northern Railway station just ping me, I'll be very happy to help a HN-er who thinks he's fighting for the right cause. Cause you are a NATO citizen, aren't you? Meani…

Given the opinions you I read in this thread, we'd be more likely to meet across the front lines.

Respectfully.

"Threats" as a comment to "let respond with sabotage to multiple sabotage acts conducted by the country engaging in war crimes" shows the side you're on very well.

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Post by scrollaway »

fer wrote: post #335
alexejb wrote: post #298

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> Zero karma Yep, that is the high price one must pay for dissenting opinions in a discourse where nuance and discussion no longer exist.

It's the price of regurgitating the most unsophisticated fifth columnist narratives.

The price is far too small. Active propaganda on behalf of a rogue state is an act of war and should be treated as such, IMO.

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Post by FaridIO »

libertine wrote: post #143
Vinnl wrote: post #75

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That does mean that I would not automatically jump to conclusions about Russia or war or whatever; since much of national public policy is presented today, it's also a popular day to express disagreement, and apparently some farmers had already announced they would be doing so today. (I'd assume the BBC reporter to be aware that Prinsjesdag is today, and that they'd mention that fact in this article, but apparently n…

You'll find the answer in who is organizing these groups.

Egging them on online, sure, but these groups have always existed and we're plenty stupid without Russia's help.

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Post by stillcompiling »

scrollaway wrote: post #395
fer wrote: post #335

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It's the price of regurgitating the most unsophisticated fifth columnist narratives.

The price is far too small. Active propaganda on behalf of a rogue state is an act of war and should be treated as such, IMO.

Do you know Russia? Did you consider the last 40 years of history re NATO-enlargement?

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Post by PorciiVorbesc »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #388
nahgF wrote: post #289

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the US government is owned lock and stock by the Russians. They do not want more proxies, and under Trump, are actively trying to fracture NATO.

>the US government is owned lock and stock by the Russians

So that's what we're calling "AIPAC(Israel)" now? "The Russians"?

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Post by PorciiVorbesc »

aldous wrote: post #291
lioeters wrote: post #284

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The ruling class in Europe needs this war for economic reasons. They're orchestrating and selling it to the public by constant fear mongering and provoking conflict. Even in a relatively intelligent crowd like this forum, people are gullible and easily guided to hate the Other: red ("communists", Russia, China); brown (immigrants, Muslims, Iran); or green ("far left", environmental and civil rights activists). They h…

The last thing ‘the ruling class in Europe needs’ is a pan European war! Stability and the system that stability enables is what has put them into positions of power and prosperity in the first place. They actively don’t want outright war and Russia knows this, which is why Russia continually provokes and gets away with acts of sabotage.

>Stability and the system that stability enables is what has put them into positions of power and prosperity in the first place.

The system is already unstable due to the rampart growth of wealth inequality, especially after covid, disproportionately affecting the purchasing power and CoL of the working class, while those with assets have seen their wealth ballon. All orchestrated by EU politicians and the ECB currency inflation policies and and allocation towards banks and corporations who spent it during covid on assets and stock buybacks and left the working class footing the bill with inflation and mass layoffs years later.

The EU elites are already worried about how they can manage this bottled anger of the working class, which is why you see more and more draconical EU "chat control" and "speech control" laws trying to get passed. Pointing the peasants to vent their anger towards Russia as the scapegoat, for the fiscal irresponsibility of the EU elites that lead to the current wealth disparity, is a good way for the EU elites to avoid the angry mob.

After all, most of the wealthy European elites and nobles didn't lose their wealth after WW1 and WW2 even though millions of peasants died.

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Post by contravariant »

pibaker wrote: post #172
pprotas wrote: post #98

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Likely organized by farmer protest groups (FDF for example) to protest against emission restriction regulation. They are known for their dangerous stunts, including driving their tractors on the highway and spraying manure on government buildings. These actions are tolerated by the Dutch police, which willingly and purposefully refuses to punish these acts.

It's crazy how much deference is given to farmers compared to every other occupation. If the garbage men started dumping the contents of garbage bags in public places I bet they will not be given a free pass.

> If the garbage men started dumping the contents of garbage bags in public places I bet they will not be given a free pass.

I mean, they wouldn't have to, they just need to stop cleaning it up. Such an action likely will be given a free pass, anything other than that is strikebreaking which is either illegal or heavily discouraged depending on jurisdiction.

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