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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
Prinsjesdag is held on the third tuesday of september. You are trying to insinuate some weird stuff.
A nationwide railway disruption on September 15th is some weird stuff, my friend
Out of all the ignorant comments in this thread that clearly do not know what is happening in the netherlands and are just assuming wild stuff, you made the most insane one. Congratulations.
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ideal scenario is everyone suspects it's you but can't prove it. You have both the desired threat, but no concrete biases for an official response. Also an uncertainty limits action - it might be a random event, it could even be a false flag. One of the problem's here is narratives are being spun by multiple actors and it depends on who you believe.
You don't need a real basis for a response. There's nobody here enforcing any rules. If you wanted you could claim you have evidence, without having any. Doesn't matter. "This better stop or there will be sanctions, and if its not within your power to stop it, tough luck" is a valid response. Whether that's wise is another question. Here's a recent example where Germany so far claimed that it tied the attack to Russi…
Well yes technically countries can just attack others. In practice they need to justify those attacks to their allies and populace if they want to maintain the status quo with them. That's where "they started it, we're only defending ourselves" is very helpful.
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of the cases were proven is a bold claim. It’s hard to prove these things of course but you have to ask yourself who benefits most from these kind of attacks and sabotage? Who benefits from a weakened and infighting Europe? Hybrid warfare is by definition hard to attribute
You can use the same logic about shit happening in Russia too. E.g. EU meddling in elections in Russia. Western security apparatus was behind Crocus City Hall attack. Ukrainian drones are launched from European countries and EU is actively involved in planning these attacks . All these claims were made by Russian media and politicians. Do you believe these as well, considering EU benefits the most from the weak Russi…
Russia is waging an active war of aggression against Ukraine and has its sights set on the rest of Europe (countries that they feel belong to the Russian empire just as they did during USSR).
So yea I believe and actually support the EI pushing back and helping Ukraine against warmongers who have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of their own citizens on the frontline - for what exactly?
The war could be over tomorrow if they would just let go of their imperial ambitions - but of course Putin wants to immortalise himself as Russian emperor.
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need a real basis for a response. There's nobody here enforcing any rules. If you wanted you could claim you have evidence, without having any. Doesn't matter. "This better stop or there will be sanctions, and if its not within your power to stop it, tough luck" is a valid response. Whether that's wise is another question. Here's a recent example where Germany so far claimed that it tied the attack to Russi…
Well yes technically countries can just attack others. In practice they need to justify those attacks to their allies and populace if they want to maintain the status quo with them. That's where "they started it, we're only defending ourselves" is very helpful.
The response is typically sending diplomats home, cancelling agreements, and sanctions. Something proportional. Not immediate outright war.
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#306Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/12/french-p... "close to Renault's factory in the town of Cléon", which is now preparing to start manufacturing drones for the French military, in collaboration with Ukrainian military-industrial groups.
Surely there is a lot of Russian-motivated sabotage going on in Europe, but there's another group that might be motivated:
exactly today, a major farmer demonstration was already planned. They way they usually go ahead in the Netherlands is drive with their tractors over the highways towards The Hague, where our government is based. Obviously this leads to massive traffic jams.
A simultaneous disruption of the Dutch railways would add some extra effect to the expected traffic chaos.
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the main point is slowing/frustrating drone production? It would honestly be kind of fair game to sabotage production of drones that would be used against you, even if they're made in a country you're not at war with --- if it wasn't for Russia having a lot of responsibility for that war in the first place (to put it mildly).
what do you mean "fair game"? by the same logic russia attacking ukraine is also "fair game". "hei cmon im just atacking my neighbor its fair game, what else should i do"
Let's say I pay someone to punch you int the face every day. Then one day when you punch me in the face do I have a right to complain?
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
its been mentioned ad-nauseam that wildberries also sells to the military... where have you been hiding?
> also sells to the military... where have you been hiding? And the Western-built railway system has been used for war/military reasons since its very inception (almost), it's how Prussia got the best over the Habsburgs at Sadowa in the 1860s. One could also say that Tsarist Russia not yet having a rail connection to Crimea just before that caused them to be defeated against the Western incursion at Sevastopol.
One side is primarily targeting civilians and infrastructure, also committing acts of war crimes, other is targeting exclusively infrastructure used by the military.
Yeah, yeah, I know you'd love to paint your comrades as the poor military attacked from the all sides, but we all know had they not invade Crimea and then start all-out war against civilian targets, they'd live peacefully today.
I hope western countries will respond in kind with the mass sabotage acts: disrupting the transportation (roads and railroads are used by the military, per your own classification), pipelines and perhaps more.
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
But all those political divisions are a result of national politics of those countries. People want higher wages, less taxes, affordable housing, more recently cheaper gas/diesel, and in the last decade (or more in some places), less foreign migrants. If no other political party will do anything about that, people are forced to vote for Alternatives (intentionally capitalized). Especially after all the anti-russian p…
The way I see it, both things are true - European politicians and major parties have stirred anger by their incompetence, AND Russia has exploited this anger for their own purposes. EU has huge flaws, but it's still better than Russia. Germans, French and the British may not understand it, but us unfortunate enough to live next to Russia do. There is a reason why Poland, Baltic countries and now even Finland and Swed…
> Russia is ruled by evil, murderous tyrants
Yes, and Stalin was Georgian, Kaganowitch was Ukrainian (and orchestrated the Ukrainian Holodomor), Breshnev was Ukrainian and so on.
The alternative parties are not pro-Russia. They want to trade with a totalitarian regime just like we trade with Saudi Arabia. And they'll break their election promises anyway just like Meloni and Trump broke theirs.
Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, they've already murdered people by causing accidents on the highway.
Are we allowed to call it terrorism now? Or just when it is farmers? I know that both climate activists and BLM have disrupted highways as well....
>caused accidents
vs
>"disrupted"
This equivocation is noted but not compelling