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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by CalRobert »

maxboone wrote: post #5
scrollaway wrote: post #2

Little by little, people are realising that Europe is at war. Politicians are trying so hard not to say it because of the implications, but there’s only so long you can keep your head buried in the sand. We’re under constant attacks from Russia… drones, sabotage, cyberattacks, propaganda campaigns derailing our elections… I’m sick of it.

We don't know whether this was Russia, it's just as likely it was the "farmers defence force" or climate activists. Edit: some context as I'm looking like a Russian shill now, which I understand. Today is the day that the budget gets announced, and the farmer terrorist organization (farmer defence force) have announced actions - and have disrupted highways by setting bales of hay on fire, and all the disruptions happ…

Those famously anti-train climate activists…

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by bo0tzz »

ricardobeat wrote: post #37
wickedsight wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, my bet is on the farmers. The locations where this happened are all pretty rural and farmers have announced havy actions today. We in NL need to be more concerned about domestic terrorism than the Russians at the moment. Though I'm sure Russian money and bots are involved in some way.

You think farmers are willing to risk the murder of hundreds of their fellow countrymen as a form of protest? That’s plain terrorism.

Yes, they've already murdered people by causing accidents on the highway.

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Post by raverbashing »

barrenko wrote: post #24

As a european, for the love of god, can we address any single of our concerns by either the national or the supranational government? It seems as if one ambiguates the other.

No, it seems governments can only ignore the concerns then complain the 'alt-right' parties get voted

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Post by Vinnl »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #15

So today's the yearly presentation of the new budget, with protests expected in several places. Whether this sabotage campaign is (part of a) misguided protest action or something else is yet to be determined. https://nos.nl/liveblog/2631038-nog-steeds-nieuwe-sabotageac... (Use google translate to read)

That does mean that I would not automatically jump to conclusions about Russia or war or whatever; since much of national public policy is presented today, it's also a popular day to express disagreement, and apparently some farmers had already announced they would be doing so today.

(I'd assume the BBC reporter to be aware that Prinsjesdag is today, and that they'd mention that fact in this article, but apparently not.)

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Post by teekert »

qwertox wrote: post #28
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #15

So today's the yearly presentation of the new budget, with protests expected in several places. Whether this sabotage campaign is (part of a) misguided protest action or something else is yet to be determined. https://nos.nl/liveblog/2631038-nog-steeds-nieuwe-sabotageac... (Use google translate to read)

https://nos-nl.translate.goog/liveblog/2631038-hooibalen-in-...

"Radical Farmer Leaders" are mentioned as stimulating these actions today.

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Post by myself248 »

HSO wrote: post #54
HPsquared wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's useful because if an issue is difficult, both levels can disavow responsibility.

in german there is a word for this Zuständigkeitspingpong competence table tennis

> in german there is a word for this

I am not surprised.

> competence table tennis

Magnificent!

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Post by hagbard_c »

rebolek wrote: post #47
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #42

I don't understand. What does this have to do with HN, the typical topics, and the typical users who come here?

By the upvotes - a lot.

Yes, and that's one of the reasons politics - which this is - used to be shunned on this site. It is like catnip for those who have an opinion - whether agreeing or disagreeing - on the subject and quickly turns into a mud fight. In combination with the down-voting system on HN this gives rise to a strong and unhelpful herd mentality where those with itchy down-vote fingers quickly make opinions outside of their desired narrative fade to grey. Unfortunately this 'no politics' rule has never been free from bias even before the rise of The Orange Man and seems to have been dropped off the radar ever since. This only serves to increase the level of polarisation, the bitter fruits of which are ripe for the picking right here in this thread.
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