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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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It should be noted that today is Prinsjesdag and the new yearly budget is being presented, or however that is properly translated in english. Especially now that farmers are also lighting hay bales on fire next to highways the most likely explanation is nationals doing this

Checking some other calendars yields: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Nazi_Germany#National_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Text_of_the_law... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Days_of_Repentance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Democracy...

Prinsjesdag is held on the third tuesday of september. You are trying to insinuate some weird stuff.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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You wait for 20 or more years for documents become unclassified and historians to do their job.

So in the meantime you have no real opinion about anything?

Not at all, I take ungrounded claims like this with a grain of salt.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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It seems unlikely they would let any political divisions or legitimate grievances go unexploited. It is their cultural core competency for centuries. That does not mean the greivances being exploited aren't valid, or that the parties themselves don't aid in the fracture so they don't have to worry about competition with parties whose ideology is too close to theirs. Edit: This is reductive, Russia has tons of culture…

But all those political divisions are a result of national politics of those countries. People want higher wages, less taxes, affordable housing, more recently cheaper gas/diesel, and in the last decade (or more in some places), less foreign migrants. If no other political party will do anything about that, people are forced to vote for Alternatives (intentionally capitalized). Especially after all the anti-russian p…

All that's being said is, "Russia is known to exploit political conflicts to harm their enemies".

WHY those conflicts exist is irrelevant.

No one is saying it absolutely, unquestionably was Russian interference. Just that it could be. EDIT: OK, at least one person is saying that. But most people are likely thinking, "Well, could be, might not be... dunno."

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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what do you mean "fair game"? by the same logic russia attacking ukraine is also "fair game". "hei cmon im just atacking my neighbor its fair game, what else should i do"

I mean what I said: if you're being attacked by drones, then no one can fault you for trying to sabotage the production of those drones, even if they're made in a different country than the one which is sending them against you. But, you can and should fault Russia for getting into that position in the first place, that their neighbor is attacking them back with drones.

but why are you attacked by drones thats the million dollar question...

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Europeans really hates sabotage when it happens to them. Nobody blinked an eye when Nord Stream (a civilian infrastructure) was blown up.

FYI Nord Stream had one end in Germany, which happens to be in Europe. So Nord Stream was driving oil to Europe, and some Europeans mattered.

FYI Nord Stream did not transport oil, but gas (not to be confused with gasoline).

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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If the main point is slowing/frustrating drone production? It would honestly be kind of fair game to sabotage production of drones that would be used against you, even if they're made in a country you're not at war with --- if it wasn't for Russia having a lot of responsibility for that war in the first place (to put it mildly).

what do you mean "fair game"? by the same logic russia attacking ukraine is also "fair game". "hei cmon im just atacking my neighbor its fair game, what else should i do"

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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that's a huge leap

We should see some claim of responsibility if it was indeed anyone other than the usual suspects.

Why? Russia gains nothing from taking responsibility.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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It's crazy how much deference is given to farmers compared to every other occupation. If the garbage men started dumping the contents of garbage bags in public places I bet they will not be given a free pass.

I think this deference is largely inspired by the police not knowing how to deal with these huge tractors.

Rubbish. They don't want to. The tractors have license plates, allowing them to be pursued after the fact, and the NL police have firearms if they want to get spicy.

There have been a number of attacks in Europe of the form "deranged person drives vehicle into crowd". I'm sure the police wouldn't sit back and shrug if that was done with a tractor. The vehicle doesn't have magic properties, the driver has police protection.

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The ideal scenario is everyone suspects it's you but can't prove it. You have both the desired threat, but no concrete biases for an official response. Also an uncertainty limits action - it might be a random event, it could even be a false flag. One of the problem's here is narratives are being spun by multiple actors and it depends on who you believe.

> The ideal scenario is everyone suspects it's you but can't prove it. Why? EU countries have shown time and time again they won't do anything. I mean for God's sake, Russia was caught sending THREE remote controlled flying bomb on a German airfield, with another one found by a passerby before it was launched. They contained professionally made Russian explosives. There is no doubt who did it. This was not the first,…

Because being too blatant will galvanize the public and create support for open war.

The goal is to ensure all reasonable people know, while keeping enough deniability that Russian-funded right-wing groups can sow doubt about attribution and response policy’s

They don’t care whether it can be proven in court or by people paying close attention. They care whether it can’t be denied even by their aligned agents in western countries.

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Yeah mate whatever. Instead of scrolling twitter or whatever, donate some of your actual time to Ukraine and start getting up to speed with what Russia is really doing, straight from the source. Otherwise you’re just going to continue being what is commonly called a “useful idiot”. Edit: seeing your other posts, seems like you’re well beyond useful idiot territory and either a Russian agent or plain and simply a trol…

Wont donate anything to Ukraine – hopefully the part of my family from there has managed to bring out their boys. Yes, busification is a thing over there, "mate". If the useful idiots here in Europe are strong enough to back a political decision to go to war with Russia, I'm out. But you can go and fight, "mate". Edit: Seeing you're profiteering from the war [0], case closed I guess. [0] https://sevenseed.eu/ "Seven…

I’m not profiting from the war, I’m donating my time. Idfk what’s wrong with you.

(I mean, I know exactly what’s wrong with you… but you get my drift)

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