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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by smallstepforman »

Muromec wrote: post #169
tyrabound wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's odd that you would jump to "Russian op" and hedging by _not_ asserting that it is "definitely" one; but it very well could also be and arguably even is far more likely an act by someone who would benefit form scaring the public and manipulating the affected governments. I'm not going to assert at all, one way or another who it may be because it could be several actors with interests in producing outcomes of fear…

\One thing that logic would dictate though is that Russia would be extremely low on the list of suspects since they gain nothing and are negatively affected in every manner possible by being in any way behind such actions. They are known for actions that negatively affect them and everyone around. That's kinda their whole thing.

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by immibis2 »

hagbard_c wrote: post #146
piva00 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These same farmers? [0] [0] https://www.dutchnews.nl/2026/08/two-killed-on-a59-as-tracto...

Yes, just like these [1] German border guards. Next time they should bring a sign like the one shown in the article. For those who don't read Dutch and can't be bothered to translate the article: Germany has restarted border checks which at the time of writing of this article had caused 171 accidents, some of which lethal. [1] https://www.gelderlander.nl/zevenaar/na-171-ongelukken-bij-d...

I don't get this thing where "X killed people. Oh, just like Y killed people" when X and Y are entirely unrelated.

If you say "Ukraine kills people in the war? Well Russia also kills people in the war" at least they are quite related and an argument can be made from that starting point. But what's with "Some people died in a space shuttle explosion. Well, sharks also kill people"

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by contravariant »

Someone wrote: post #116
apt-get wrote: post #3

Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/12/french-p... "close to Renault's factory in the town of Cléon", which is now preparing to start manufacturing drones for the French military, in collaboration with Ukrainian military-industrial groups.

> Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France From what I read, the similarity ends in “both involved trains”. This chain of attacks seems to have used short metal pipes (“Footage published by Dutch public broadcaster NOS on Tuesday showed police carrying what appeared to be metal pipes - about 1.5 metres (5ft) long”) to short a connection, making safety systems signal “there’s a…

As far as sabotage goes doing it in a way that is disruptive but causes no permanent damage is a bit odd. As a protest, however, it makes perfect sense.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by vintermann »

hgomersall wrote: post #163
sandos wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this, and also they are trying to keep some deniability here, so variations are good.

Why would you want to keep it deniable? What's the point in this sort of sabotage if nobody knows you did it?

If the main point is slowing/frustrating drone production?

It would honestly be kind of fair game to sabotage production of drones that would be used against you, even if they're made in a country you're not at war with --- if it wasn't for Russia having a lot of responsibility for that war in the first place (to put it mildly).

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by smallstepforman »

kakacik wrote: post #221
paganel wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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russia declared war on whole west (including this open forum) in 2014, if you cared about the topic a bit you would know that. They are not even hiding it, quite contrary. Attacks keep happening basically daily in entire Europe now, thats a text book declaration of war from russia. They repeatedly declared razing whole western Europe and western world with nuclear weapons, annihilating hundreds of millions. They repe…

[quote]Russia declared war on whole west (including this open forum) in 2014[/quote]

I dont remember seeing Lavrov delivering a declaration of war to this “whole west” diplomatic core. Got any real sources to back this absurd claim?

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

NietTim wrote: post #108

It should be noted that today is Prinsjesdag and the new yearly budget is being presented, or however that is properly translated in english. Especially now that farmers are also lighting hay bales on fire next to highways the most likely explanation is nationals doing this

Checking some other calendars yields:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Nazi_Germany#National_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Text_of_the_law...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Days_of_Repentance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Democracy...

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by scrollaway »

alexejb wrote: post #114
scrollaway wrote: post #2

Little by little, people are realising that Europe is at war. Politicians are trying so hard not to say it because of the implications, but there’s only so long you can keep your head buried in the sand. We’re under constant attacks from Russia… drones, sabotage, cyberattacks, propaganda campaigns derailing our elections… I’m sick of it.

I think of it the other way: EU politicians want war but are not able to say it out loud and clear. Instead we get a bunch of "russian sabotage" all over the place with flimsy evidence to back it. Get the simple people into a paranoid state and use it to justify decisions which are already made. Classic FUD. And the people seem to swallow it.

Yeah mate whatever. Instead of scrolling twitter or whatever, donate some of your actual time to Ukraine and start getting up to speed with what Russia is really doing, straight from the source.

Otherwise you’re just going to continue being what is commonly called a “useful idiot”.

Edit: seeing your other posts, seems like you’re well beyond useful idiot territory and either a Russian agent or plain and simply a troll. Of course it’s always the ones you most expect.

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Post by apt-get »

willy_k wrote: post #213
apt-get wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One thing that logic would dictate though is that Russia would be extremely low on the list of suspects since they gain nothing and are negatively affected in every manner possible by being in any way behind such actions. Or one could choose not to take this in isolation from all the acts of brazen and identified sabotage Russia does, slashing deep-sea cables in international waters with their shadow fleets, organi…

Might wanna update your facts on that pipeline.

I'm referring to telecom cables in nordic and baltic waters, not nordstream.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

galangalalgol wrote: post #208
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #188

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The easiest way to hide the incompetence of local european politics, be it expensive diesel or the upcoming economic prices is to blame it all on russia. Volkswagen is laying off 100k of workers, because they can't make cars people can afford anymore... blame russia! Germans fed up with merz and vote afd? Russia! Macron doesn't even have 20% of support in polls anymore? Russia! Stub your pinky on the corner of the be…

It seems unlikely they would let any political divisions or legitimate grievances go unexploited. It is their cultural core competency for centuries. That does not mean the greivances being exploited aren't valid, or that the parties themselves don't aid in the fracture so they don't have to worry about competition with parties whose ideology is too close to theirs. Edit: This is reductive, Russia has tons of culture…

But all those political divisions are a result of national politics of those countries. People want higher wages, less taxes, affordable housing, more recently cheaper gas/diesel, and in the last decade (or more in some places), less foreign migrants. If no other political party will do anything about that, people are forced to vote for Alternatives (intentionally capitalized).

Especially after all the anti-russian propaganda being false ("three days of rockets left", etc.), after double standards ("ukraine is being attacked, we must help them!", vs "israel is commiting a genocide, we must continue selling them weapons", and "iran was attacked by our buddies, let's send nato (uk, etc) planes to shoot down their counterattacks"). Americans started a war that hurts us every time we go to a gas station and no politician even points a finger at them, no sanctions, no nothing.

It's not russia exploiting the divisions, it's the eu governments being incompetent to the levels never seen before, be it local national governments or EU levels (eg. 3eur customs on everything from china, chat control, etc.).

Look at this for example: https://cbnunfiltered.com/macrons-approval-rating-falls-to-h... macron has 16% approval rating, while 81% see him "unfavorably"... how shitty of a politician do you have to be to not step down when 81% of the country hates you?

If the governments listened to what people wanted and did at least something in that direction (again, top paragraph), people would not be looking for Alternatives (again, intentionally capitalized). Since they don't the Alternatives are the only thing left.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by dolmen »

nelox wrote: post #81

I would be surprised if it wasn’t by Russia. Russian infrastructure is being systematically destroyed by Ukraine with funding, training, intelligence and materiel from Europe. This is an attempt to discourage European support by disrupting Europeans.

It is good for Russ.a even if they didn't even organize it: everybody thinks it's them, but they might not have even spent anything on it.
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