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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by kakacik »

paganel wrote: post #142
apt-get wrote: post #3

Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/12/french-p... "close to Renault's factory in the town of Cléon", which is now preparing to start manufacturing drones for the French military, in collaboration with Ukrainian military-industrial groups.

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russia declared war on whole west (including this open forum) in 2014, if you cared about the topic a bit you would know that. They are not even hiding it, quite contrary. Attacks keep happening basically daily in entire Europe now, thats a text book declaration of war from russia.

They repeatedly declared razing whole western Europe and western world with nuclear weapons, annihilating hundreds of millions. They repeatedly stated their goal is to at least restore former USSR with eastern bloc acting as a shield/nuclear battlefield at all costs, same as it was during cold war.

Then they started their military push, and if Ukraine didn't fight back with everything they had they may have stopped only at Austria/German eastern border (probably West Germany one).

But you should know all this mister troll, don't you. I don't mind, repeating (sad) facts about russia can be a hobby and internet should be full of it.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by nmeofthestate »

lmf4lol wrote: post #167
Zagitta wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Farmers and right wing people in all of Europe are actively being disinformed by Russian intelligence service and either wilfully ignores it or too incompetent to realize it.

can you explain how Dutch farmers are being disinformed by Russian intelligence services? I am REALLy curious.

Russia spends a huge amount on manipulating western citizens via the internet, let's not play dumb about that. You may not think that it has any effect, but apparently Russian intelligence does.

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Post by koiueo »

bluGill wrote: post #162
nelox wrote: post #81

I would be surprised if it wasn’t by Russia. Russian infrastructure is being systematically destroyed by Ukraine with funding, training, intelligence and materiel from Europe. This is an attempt to discourage European support by disrupting Europeans.

Too bad Russia 'had to' go to war in the first place.

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by dolmen »

Zealotux wrote: post #212
Someone wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France From what I read, the similarity ends in “both involved trains”. This chain of attacks seems to have used short metal pipes (“Footage published by Dutch public broadcaster NOS on Tuesday showed police carrying what appeared to be metal pipes - about 1.5 metres (5ft) long”) to short a connection, making safety systems signal “there’s a…

>My money is on this being a rogue farmers protest. I'm French and I heard nothing of the sort, what makes you think of that?

Not the Normandy event, but the NL event.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

n4r9 wrote: post #62
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #42

I don't understand. What does this have to do with HN, the typical topics, and the typical users who come here?

International politics is intellectually stimulating.

Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by crote »

pestatije wrote: post #193
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #135

Came for the news for nerds, got a blog from the BBC propaganda machine. Anyway, I am surprised the BBC blogger didn't add north koreans and some linked it to porn on the internet.

the railway was hacked with a metal tube... perfectly suited news

A similar hijack will soon(ish) become impossible, as the current train protection system will be replaced by ERTMS.

Basically, the current system works by injecting a small current signal on one rail and trying to sense it on the other rail. A train's axle shorts the rails together, so sensing it means a train is present. Or, in this instance of sabotage, a jumper wire.

ERTMS L2, which is being installed over the next decade or two, primarily uses axle counters and train position reporting, so a jumper won't do a thing. You can still fool an axle counter, but that's rather easy to fix: just drive a known-good train over the section.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by vanviegen »

pibaker wrote: post #172
pprotas wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely organized by farmer protest groups (FDF for example) to protest against emission restriction regulation. They are known for their dangerous stunts, including driving their tractors on the highway and spraying manure on government buildings. These actions are tolerated by the Dutch police, which willingly and purposefully refuses to punish these acts.

It's crazy how much deference is given to farmers compared to every other occupation. If the garbage men started dumping the contents of garbage bags in public places I bet they will not be given a free pass.

I think this deference is largely inspired by the police not knowing how to deal with these huge tractors.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by vanviegen »

koiueo wrote: post #219
pibaker wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy how much deference is given to farmers compared to every other occupation. If the garbage men started dumping the contents of garbage bags in public places I bet they will not be given a free pass.

Don't believe everything you read. This is russian sabotage + russian trolls now trying to make it look like it's something else

Who's the troll here? Do you even know what you're talking about?

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by hnlmorg »

hgomersall wrote: post #163
sandos wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this, and also they are trying to keep some deniability here, so variations are good.

Why would you want to keep it deniable? What's the point in this sort of sabotage if nobody knows you did it?

Because otherwise it would be an act of war. At which point they might as well have just fired a rocket into the country.
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