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Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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layla5alive wrote: post #923
wolrah wrote: post #464

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> The problem companies have is that "doesn't suck" generally means "it's free with no ads". I feel like way too many people forget that there was a great middle ground for the longest time, in the form of Google AdWords. Text only, no animations, flash, iframes serving malware, or any of the other bullshit that had already taken over banner ad networks like Doubleclick at the time. I recall at the time one of the ea…

Scalar Monomania (profit maximization in this case) is the root of so much evil :/

It's usury that's the root of this evil. Always has been. Whether it's private equity or public shareholders, when you have someone getting more and more money for simply putting in money then that value has to be extracted from somewhere.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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vladgur wrote: post #410
trey-jones wrote: post #221

Regardless of the legality of the service: I always use xcancel instead of X. I don't have a twitter account and I don't want to sign in. I just occasionally want to read what some people had to say about something. Even this is usually a mistake. It's probably better taken as entertainment. My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you.

You want to read what service XYZ offers, but you dont want to do it within the constraints of service XYZ. If you dont want to follow the constraints of service XYZ, you dont have to consume its content. The market would dictate that if X content consumers found it too inconvenient to consume from X and that would result in a significant drop in demand, the X content producers would stop producing their content on X…

> you dont have to consume its content

That's the issue though, it's not Twitter's "content" and I'm not trying to "consume" it. I want to be able to read and see what others including public official and primary sources for ongoing events have to say. That they are on twitter is coincidental and generally only because Twitter has captured the "public square". That doesn't make what's posted on there theirs anymore than the postal service owns the letters you send.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by psd1 »

abustamam wrote: post #879
kalleboo wrote: post #865

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I remember when you paid your ISP for internet access and in that cost they also provided you with an e-mail address, they ran a Usenet server for their customers, and gave you space for web hosting. Now all of that is expected to be paid for with ads instead.

Im too young to remember this but it would be an interesting idea if ISPs paid website hosts (kinda like cable companies pay networks based on viewership) The privacy implications of this are many, but the idea itself could be interesting.

That battle was called "net neutrality", and the reason we who lost it fought it was to prevent web 2.0 becoming a set of giant moated properties.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by account42 »

zx8080 wrote: post #825
trey-jones wrote: post #221

Regardless of the legality of the service: I always use xcancel instead of X. I don't have a twitter account and I don't want to sign in. I just occasionally want to read what some people had to say about something. Even this is usually a mistake. It's probably better taken as entertainment. My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you.

> My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you. What an idealistic nonsense. Companies do anything not for people, but for money. We are not living in a socialist utopia (fortunately!).

Companies also have to stay within the bounds determined by the rest of our society. For example just dumping your waste in the next river is more profitable than disposing it responsibly but its bad for everyone so we don't let companies do that.

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Post by mitxela »

simondotau wrote: post #973
mitxela wrote: post #959

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1 is untrue, 2 is untrue, 3 is the same as x.com

1 is true: if you control the web server, you control whether the content is published as readable by anonymous visitors. 2 is true: if you disagree, provide the name of that singular corporation. To be clear, you're always relying on corporations, but there's no single gatekeeper. 3 is not the same: if I see something published on "www.water.dcceew.nsw.gov.au" I can be reasonably confident that it is published by my…

1. You don't control the wordpress.com or tumblr.com web server

2. Wordpress or Tumblr respectively

3. but it's not, it's dcceew.tumblr.com or dcceew.wordpress.com

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by account42 »

benrutter wrote: post #892
zx8080 wrote: post #825

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> My point is: companies stop making your product suck, and people won't have a reason to try and fix it for you. What an idealistic nonsense. Companies do anything not for people, but for money. We are not living in a socialist utopia (fortunately!).

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but it's worth pointing out that most businesses outside of tech don't operate a "build a monopoly then bleed it dry" model, and are a lot nicer for it, while still making money. Shops, cinemas, B2B consultancies etc generally make money by selling something people want. (I do get that tech VC doesn't work under this principle and it's not simpld to just change a sectors…

> Shops, cinemas, B2B consultancies etc generally make money by selling something people want.

There are plenty of dark patterns and enshittification in all of these as well. Tech is just way ahead of the curve but the rest isn't innocent either.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by zavec »

mitxela wrote: post #899
numpad0 wrote: post #827

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^ this and the entire drama is just an ad campaign to make the rebranding stick. what is really going to work is to keep calling it Twitter, as it identifies itself, and slowly move over the scene to Bluesky/Mastodon. What demoralize them the most is to show whoever pays for it doesn't matter.

It would be really funny if Elon lost the Twitter trademark due to not using it.

Just a few days ago there was an article about how they lost the bluebird logo and the word "tweet," so it seems possible!

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by latexr »

mitxela wrote: post #899
numpad0 wrote: post #827

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^ this and the entire drama is just an ad campaign to make the rebranding stick. what is really going to work is to keep calling it Twitter, as it identifies itself, and slowly move over the scene to Bluesky/Mastodon. What demoralize them the most is to show whoever pays for it doesn't matter.

It would be really funny if Elon lost the Twitter trademark due to not using it.

That was close to happening. He already lost the logo and “tweet”.

https://thenextweb.com/news/musk-x-twitter-bird-logo-tweet-t...

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by account42 »

KronisLV wrote: post #964
nananana9 wrote: post #954

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The primary difference of course being that not a single worthwhile thing has ever been posted on TikTok, while X is a "public space" used by politicians, governments, public figures, news agencies, et al. I'd like to see the fire department's tweet without having to sign up for X on the spot right now and do a 20 round captcha, followed by a prompt to install the app to verify my age, because suspicious activity was…

> Twitter is a public space used by politicians, governments, public figures, news agencies, et al. I'm quite happy that something like LinkedIn is separate from general purpose social media (imagine the self-aggrandizing spam otherwise, or having to sift past someone's holiday photos when wanting to see what's new in the corpo world). What's missing is something the same for any and all official messaging - imagine…

> What's missing is something the same for any and all official messaging - imagine something like Twitter, but for governments, various institutions, politicians, public figues and all that, a degree more separated from the regular and more individual content you often see on the "unprofessional" social media, almost like a news feed.

It exists and is called "a website". You can even host a Twitter-like microblogging platforms that allows others to follow your crap like https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/

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