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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by Dfiesl »

hypfer wrote: post #476
Dfiesl wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they just meant its weird as in if you met a software dev at a dinner party who was still writing all their code by hand it would raise an eyebrow and you’d want to enquire further why that is.

I think understand the purpose of this comment. I think you're sensing friction and you'd like to reduce that by explaining for the other guy. Which is a common social script, but one that is being exploited here I'd say. But, regardless, what is interesting I think is the scenario chosen there. Because a "dinner party" is not where engineering happens; and that's kinda the point I was getting at. That's pulled from…

I think LLMs just allow you to get to where you want to get to quicker. So in a productivity oriented world it seems weird to not be making use of them where those gains can be had.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by mitxela »

bdamm wrote: post #347
taybin wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How’s that going to work when everyone turns one on and they’re all driving the profit margin to almost zero?

Well, by "computer" we're of course talking about colocated equipment with real capital costs. The data center operators are the equivalent of the people selling shovels to the gold rush prospectors.

This'll go identically to bitcoin mining, which is literally a computer that you plug in and it makes money. The big ASIC manufacturers were running their own ASICs in-house until they were no longer profitable. Then, they would sell them to customers who pre-ordered back when it was profitable.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by solatic »

piterrro wrote: post #31

Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market y…

> what happens to scaling of the businesses?

This is a fundamentally political question. When different customers demand different new features, and other customers demand particular bug fixes, who do you satisfy first? The one with a small but growing account, or the old account who has been with you from the beginning? I would challenge anybody who thinks agents mean you can just do everything, immediately - by all means, prove me wrong and build Google again overnight.

And how is growth financed? Reinvestment, equity, debt? I would challenge anybody who thinks this can be reduced to a calculation, because money ultimately flows between humans; even if somebody grants an agent access to a current account (and some are, experimenting with vibe day-trading), a human always retains final control and can liquidate that account whenever they like.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by mitxela »

mmastrac wrote: post #124

Andon Cafe: Revenue: 13 933 kr Token Cost: 14 882 kr .. and a bastardization of the old Twitter joke: "I told our CEO that our cafe keeps hitting its token spending limit but not making money. So I asked where he gets the tokens, and he said he just buys more credits from the console afterwards. So I said it sounds like he's building a machine to feed dollars to Anthropic, and then our data scientist started crying."

What's the original joke?

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by hypfer »

Dfiesl wrote: post #491
hypfer wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think understand the purpose of this comment. I think you're sensing friction and you'd like to reduce that by explaining for the other guy. Which is a common social script, but one that is being exploited here I'd say. But, regardless, what is interesting I think is the scenario chosen there. Because a "dinner party" is not where engineering happens; and that's kinda the point I was getting at. That's pulled from…

I think LLMs just allow you to get to where you want to get to quicker. So in a productivity oriented world it seems weird to not be making use of them where those gains can be had.

Yes, please stop trying to drag the conversation back into default "AI good/AI bad" scripts.

It was not about that. Thank you.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

instantlyblocke wrote: post #462
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #408

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If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer

> and you can't even spell model Were this a different type of social media, I'd praise you on what you did here. But on this place, I can just be certain you're ignorant.

That's true

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by mitxela »

noncoml wrote: post #230
ipsod wrote: post #152

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if curiosity > pain avoidance: engineer

I see. Sounds more like a scientist to me :)

yeah that's definitely scientist. The two are easy to conflate since they both deal with manipulating reality to make it do things we want, but science focuses on understanding the reality itself and engineering focuses on getting it to do what we want.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

yk_42 wrote: post #418
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer

I think this is an uncharitable misinterpretation of the parent comment. I took “modal engineer” to mean “the statistical mode of engineers”, not a misspelling of “model engineer”. Which means I think you’re in agreement that using AI to write code is not necessarily vibe coding and that vibe coding is not what the majority (mode) are doing. But I may be wrong.

Thanks I had never seen that word used in this context!

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by mitxela »

chartered_stack wrote: post #424

Really interesting experiments that are actually geared towards how these models interact with the "real" world. It seems to me that we are on the fast ramp to making the paperclip maximizer a reality. imo the most likely "dystopian" future that we'll get to see. These models have no concept of their RL env sandboxes and the real world. Extremely interesting to see how they compete in trying to get finite resources a…

Paperclip maximizers are just corporations, we already have them

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by RGamma »

taybin wrote: post #346
Naru41 wrote: post #342

My definition of AGI is a computer that can support itself, just turn it on, and it'll earn enough money to pay the server's electricity bills, hire people to maintain and expand its servers, and even improve its own algorithms. I'd love to see someone try to run one that can meet 100% of the world's demand for remote works.

How’s that going to work when everyone turns one on and they’re all driving the profit margin to almost zero?

Then it's a game about collecting enough capital that you'll be the last one standing.
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