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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by edg5000 »

mchusma wrote: post #192

There was surprisingly little information on how they actually do this, but we run our business with a large number of, what we call "AI employees" in addition to regular employees, and they act in interesting ways. We've been building out orchestration tools to handle this, and we'll probably do a write-up or blog post on it soon. May even open source some of it. The preview is that the problem with most agents (and…

Can you mention some specific tasks/KPIs that you've found bots can do a large amount of work autonomously on? By large I mean something that would take Claude Code or Codex at least a few hours.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by instantlyblocke »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #408
bootsmann wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think this is true at all. Maybe if you have an agent writing some of your code it will be 99% because its so verbose but I don’t think the modal software engineer is a vibecoder.

If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer

> and you can't even spell model

Were this a different type of social media, I'd praise you on what you did here.

But on this place, I can just be certain you're ignorant.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by aurareturn »

hypfer wrote: post #460
sothatsit wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone I have talked to who uses coding agents at all now uses them to write almost all their code. The two people I know who don’t use coding agents work in government, and in a data science company working with government. I’d say if you work at a tech company and agents aren’t writing the majority of your code, that is weird. But if you work at a traditional company that doesn’t have Claude or Codex subscription…

My (arguably not very directly communicated, true) actual point is that "weird" is a term that is not really suited for tool choices like this. "Weird" is a social concept. It's an artifact that has its roots in social cohesion and friction induced by individual nodes to glue the group together. Software development otoh is an engineering discipline (or.. it should be). And Engineering does not use the local social c…

Software can be an engineering discipline doesn't change whether it's a human doing it or AI doing it.

Arguably engineering is something AI should be really good at since you're just trying to compute a working product given constraints, formulas, resources.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by trencedamp »

idopmstuff wrote: post #221
trencedamp wrote: post #194

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> I am somewhat surprised to see some of the errors current models make given their intelligence They have no intelligence. These are very very very refined prediction engines. > A common set is having Claude take some product photos and turn them into lifestyle ones using ChatGPT via Claude in Chrome. It's a pretty well-honed workflow at this point, but it'll still return images where the product is obviously not co…

> They have no intelligence. These are very very very refined prediction engines. Silly and pointless criticism. Why do the semantics of the word intelligence matter? Also, you need to understand that language evolves over time, and people often use a word to describe a thing that is newly discovered or invented that's similar to the word being used, because it's a helpful way of describing it that the listener will…

It's not the word I'm taking issue with, it's the concept. From your post you are surprised that the model makes mistakes and does not recognize things, and these are only surprising if you imagine the models to be thinking about things.

We can argue about words like thinking and intelligence all day long, and so can an LLM. But at the end of the day the LLM is only mimicking the processes you or I use.

Last week I tried out gpt sol 5.6 and asked it to count the letter r in a massive string of letters, without using an external app. It succeeded until I made the garbage sentence suitably large and then it consistently, confidently failed. Each time the "thinking" showed that it was teething to find a "gotcha" each time. "Ah, the first time I forgot to count the letters in the instruction itself" etc. at no point did it just understand that it had miscounted. It seems to be incapable of considering that it just made a regular mistake. Even a six year old child would just try again the same way and end up with the right answer

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by hypfer »

aurareturn wrote: post #463
hypfer wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My (arguably not very directly communicated, true) actual point is that "weird" is a term that is not really suited for tool choices like this. "Weird" is a social concept. It's an artifact that has its roots in social cohesion and friction induced by individual nodes to glue the group together. Software development otoh is an engineering discipline (or.. it should be). And Engineering does not use the local social c…

Software can be an engineering discipline doesn't change whether it's a human doing it or AI doing it. Arguably engineering is something AI should be really good at since you're just trying to compute a working product given constraints, formulas, resources.

What are you replying to? Evidently not the content of my comment.

Where in the comment tree is this supposed to sit?

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by kakacik »

aurareturn wrote: post #453
hypfer wrote: post #437

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> Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. It is? Are you sure that this is a representative reading that applies to more than just a tiny bubble?

It's probably 99.99%. 99% means I write 1 line for every 100 AI lines. It's probably 1 human line for every 10,000 AI lines right now.

Thats you, don't assume everybody in the IT world works in code sweatshops like that. Your above ultra confident statements are also not correct across much of industry.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by whstl »

whstl wrote: post #330
piterrro wrote: post #31

Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market y…

After seeing a crazy amount of non-programmers, sometimes with 10 years of experience, basically turning off their brains and offloading most their thinking to some LLM and turning their days into "please check this product and tell me what I should do next", I don't see why not. I've seen: designers, performance marketers, data scientists, SEO experts, product managers, engineering managers, CRM expert, all using it…

To answer the sibling that is flagged. I vouched but it’s still grey.

These people were fired because their work was considered shit by their managers and produced no results. They were replaced by nobody. They were dead weight pretending to work.

EDIT: I think this sounds quite similar to tales of developers and Excel wizards automating their jobs in secret and producing the same results. This was not the case here, as the results were considered low quality.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by Dfiesl »

hypfer wrote: post #460
sothatsit wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone I have talked to who uses coding agents at all now uses them to write almost all their code. The two people I know who don’t use coding agents work in government, and in a data science company working with government. I’d say if you work at a tech company and agents aren’t writing the majority of your code, that is weird. But if you work at a traditional company that doesn’t have Claude or Codex subscription…

My (arguably not very directly communicated, true) actual point is that "weird" is a term that is not really suited for tool choices like this. "Weird" is a social concept. It's an artifact that has its roots in social cohesion and friction induced by individual nodes to glue the group together. Software development otoh is an engineering discipline (or.. it should be). And Engineering does not use the local social c…

I think they just meant its weird as in if you met a software dev at a dinner party who was still writing all their code by hand it would raise an eyebrow and you’d want to enquire further why that is.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by aurareturn »

hypfer wrote: post #465
aurareturn wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software can be an engineering discipline doesn't change whether it's a human doing it or AI doing it. Arguably engineering is something AI should be really good at since you're just trying to compute a working product given constraints, formulas, resources.

What are you replying to? Evidently not the content of my comment. Where in the comment tree is this supposed to sit?

This one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49708981
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