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Post by nradov »

skissane wrote: post #730
nradov wrote: post #636

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X and Starlink don't even remotely have a "firm grip" over the social media or Internet access markets. They have many active competitors.

> X and Starlink don't even remotely have a "firm grip" over the social media or Internet access markets. They have many active competitors. Starlink's market isn't "Internet access" in general. Anywhere you can get fibre, fibre will be faster and cheaper. For many use cases a cell tower works better too, if you are in its coverage area. Starlink's market is "high bandwidth / low latency Internet access no matter whe…

If you define a market narrowly enough then pretty much any company has a "firm grip" on some market. That doesn't mean much in terms of overall market dynamics or broader power. My local neighborhood taqueria has a firm grip on the burrito market for a radius of at least 3 miles.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by myko »

1shooner wrote: post #670
usernomdeguerre wrote: post #608

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The unfortunate part is that each individual who attempts to leave is fighting the Network Effect[0]. It's fighting against the human organism's basic social nature. If every person wants to leave the platform but X person stays because Y person is there, and Y person stays because Z person is there, and Z person stays because X person is there then it's a feedback loop. Each person wants a better solution or platfor…

I think Twitter is the best counterargument to this defeatism. I don't personally know anyone that uses the platform any more, and I don't recall needing it for anything for years. From that remove, it's now just the platform for lazy politicians, lazy journalists, and scammers of one form or another. If there's more exclusive information there I'm not aware of, I really don't need it.

my understanding is twitter is primarily bots at this point

i'm surprised any human is still there

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by alterom »

mitxela wrote: post #727
shkurski_ wrote: post #694

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Is it legal?

Why wouldn't it be? I know we've all got accustomed to the idea that preventing a billionaire from extorting money gets you in trouble, and it usually does, but it's not illegal.

>Why wouldn't it be?

Well, for one, because xcancel was forced to suspend its service.

There's legal as in "what the law says", and legal as in "what the judge will order you to do", and the latter sense is not as clear-cut as we'd want it to be.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by jaggederest »

stymaar wrote: post #512
nkozyra wrote: post #483

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> How can an automated process be a party in the terms of services though? If it's auth-gated, it needs to be, well, authenticated. The person who provides that, and the subsequent automated scraping, is the party, and would be the recipient of a civil suit.

> If it's auth-gated, it needs to be, well, authenticated. AFAIK, there isn't an single auth scheme on earth that guarantee human intervention[1]. Anyone can set-up a robot creating new users on a whim using single-use email addresses and even phone numbers. In fact, we know that OpenAI's agent have been doing exactly that when attacking Rubygem. And all AI labs are likely doing it for scrapping social media as well.…

The person who sets up that robot is the person responsible and effectively signing the contract by those actions.

> Who are you gonna sue then?

The person who set up the robot.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by _kst_ »

Neither this post nor the linked site explain what XCancel is/was. Since I wasn't familiar with XCancel, an announcement that it's suspended is not particularly informative.

Apparently XCancel is an instance of Nitter. According to Wikipedia, "Nitter is designed to allow access to X without tracking, advertisements, or the need for an account. It only supports browsing, and cannot be used to sign in or interact with the X community."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitter

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by angoragoats »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #286
angoragoats wrote: post #153

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Yes, it is. It seems self-evident to me that the speech on Twitter is more free when it isn't behind a login wall. How could it not be? If you'd like to provide an actual counter-argument, I'd be happy to consider it.

Free Speech isn’t about who is listening, it’s about who is speaking. Just because you can’t hear it doesn’t necessarily mean the person did not speak freely.

I am speaking about free speech (lowercase, in the colloquial sense), not Free Speech (the constitutional right). In the context of this type of free speech, if you have two identical posts, and one is behind a login wall and one isn’t, the one not behind the login wall is objectively more free.

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Post by Sabinus »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #684
hyperman1 wrote: post #666

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Very well said, and I'd like to extend the idea much further: Old reddit, Windows debloater, youtube adblock, ... There are plenty of services that turned into customer disrespect, but people do huge efforts to keep them a bit less abusive. Huge kudos to these people, but isn't it time to just let the bad businesses die? If the power users are just as unhappy as everyone else, the exoduses start much faster.

Nobody needs social media of any sort. Everyone should just turn it off and stop making excuses for yourselves to stay addicted. That said, it's easier said than done. Trust me, I know. I'm not sure I would class Youtube as social media. It can be, but some people just watch it on their TV's and never engage in a social way at all.

We do, just not social media for the sake of extracting maximum ad revenue out of users. We're a widespread society we need large online spaces, but not ones algorithmically designed to addict and derrange users.

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Post by rightnutwingjob »

spicybright wrote: post #671
alightsoul wrote: post #639

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My solution to this is creating bots that repost content on sites like bluesky. The network effect can be overcome because people use a site for the content it has and not necessarily to interact with others Of course I only do it with accounts that are very obviously intended to be public like news and government accounts otherwise x and meta can argue you were violating user privacy or some shit like that

Is there any service that exists to do this for people? Like say you want your Twitter forwarded to your Facebook page and email list, you just punch in the logins and it does the rest? Ideally it would fill in the details like formatting the images/video correctly

Many.

Search for social media management tools.

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Post by redeeman »

myko wrote: post #752
1shooner wrote: post #670

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I think Twitter is the best counterargument to this defeatism. I don't personally know anyone that uses the platform any more, and I don't recall needing it for anything for years. From that remove, it's now just the platform for lazy politicians, lazy journalists, and scammers of one form or another. If there's more exclusive information there I'm not aware of, I really don't need it.

my understanding is twitter is primarily bots at this point i'm surprised any human is still there

then your understanding seems to be quite limited :)
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