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Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by WarmWash »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #602
WarmWash wrote: post #488

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No, it's about value. Money is just a convenient abstraction of time and energy. Basically everyone, all the time, is focused on min-maxing their time and energy (optimally is another question, hah). These are both fundamentally scarce things and likewise have intrinsic value to everyone. If you spend time reading an article or watching a YouTube video, it defacto has value to you, and the creator of it spent both ti…

And when the creator decided to make that free to access, it's improper for a company to throw up a wall in front of it.

I think you might be confused, because any creator can make their content free to access. If they are playing in someone else's house, yeah there might be rules they don't like, but it's also not their house.

Nothing stops creators from self-hosting and absorbing the full cost themselves.Yt doesn't even care if you link to your own hosted version of the video on their platform.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by gh02t »

J-Kuhn wrote: post #612
mahboi wrote: post #524

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It's gotten ridiculous. I get it if they have a login wall. I've had a Twitter account for years for occasional reasons. But suddenly it thinks I'm a bot and wants me to scan some QR code, download an app on my phone separately, and take photos of my hand. For whatever reason, that didn't work on my phone, maybe cause it's a Samsung A16 (not to be confused with a16z) they decided is too poor to generate ad money. May…

Photos of your hand? What is next? Run some arbitrary command? Make photos of your feet? We really ought to think what is an acceptable way to verify that someone is an actual human.

"We reserve the right to retain your security feet pics indefinitely, but won't use them for advertising purposes. We may use them for other business purposes, subject to change at any time without notification."

--new TOS

Then, a few months later x.ai announces a new SOTA frontier model, FeetGrok.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by mahboi »

gh02t wrote: post #633
J-Kuhn wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Photos of your hand? What is next? Run some arbitrary command? Make photos of your feet? We really ought to think what is an acceptable way to verify that someone is an actual human.

"We reserve the right to retain your security feet pics indefinitely, but won't use them for advertising purposes . We may use them for other business purposes , subject to change at any time without notification." --new TOS Then, a few months later x.ai announces a new SOTA frontier model, FeetGrok.

They'd use it for AI training purposes <:S

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by Dylan16807 »

WarmWash wrote: post #631
Dylan16807 wrote: post #602

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And when the creator decided to make that free to access, it's improper for a company to throw up a wall in front of it.

I think you might be confused, because any creator can make their content free to access. If they are playing in someone else's house, yeah there might be rules they don't like, but it's also not their house. Nothing stops creators from self-hosting and absorbing the full cost themselves.Yt doesn't even care if you link to your own hosted version of the video on their platform.

I meant what I said. Companies are allowed to be rude to everyone but it's still bad for them to be rude.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by nradov »

cjkaminski wrote: post #629
usernomdeguerre wrote: post #608

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The unfortunate part is that each individual who attempts to leave is fighting the Network Effect[0]. It's fighting against the human organism's basic social nature. If every person wants to leave the platform but X person stays because Y person is there, and Y person stays because Z person is there, and Z person stays because X person is there then it's a feedback loop. Each person wants a better solution or platfor…

Unfortunate, yes. Futile? No. Remember that AT&T once had a firm grip over human communication. That didn't last. Remember that AOL once had a firm grip over how a massive percentage of the population accessed the internet. That didn't last. Elon Musk currently has a firm grip on social media (via X) and internet access (via Starlink). This too will not last.

X and Starlink don't even remotely have a "firm grip" over the social media or Internet access markets. They have many active competitors.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by Levitz »

jm4 wrote: post #125
wahnfrieden wrote: post #112

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It’s the rehosting of the content not the scraping Edit: not a moral stance

I love how the content belongs to them when someone else reposts it but it belongs to the user if the content is illegal. Such a double standard with these social media and AI companies. Why do we put up with it?

We put up with it mostly because it enables a lot of communication to happen at all.

You want to hold the corporations legally liable for the content their host, you can say goodbye to basically reddit as a whole, any twitter clone, youtube comment sections and a whole more stuff.

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by ctkhn »

usernomdeguerre wrote: post #608
phforms wrote: post #434

I know it’s hard for some people (for understandable reasons), but at some point we have to ignore the X site completely and make politicians and public services/institutions aware that some people do not have or want access to the site. That is the only way anything might change someday. Maybe I’m just being naive here, but what else can you do? xcancel was amazing and I hope they can continue in some way. But since…

The unfortunate part is that each individual who attempts to leave is fighting the Network Effect[0]. It's fighting against the human organism's basic social nature. If every person wants to leave the platform but X person stays because Y person is there, and Y person stays because Z person is there, and Z person stays because X person is there then it's a feedback loop. Each person wants a better solution or platfor…

Not really relevant for public service announcements like gp is talking about. I just want a live feed of my local services updates. I get weather alerts from my city and county over text (contracted by the government through a third party platform), I would take them as a dedicated app or rss feed or anything. I'm not connecting to my friends or family through a weather alert or train delay notice

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by alightsoul »

usernomdeguerre wrote: post #608
phforms wrote: post #434

I know it’s hard for some people (for understandable reasons), but at some point we have to ignore the X site completely and make politicians and public services/institutions aware that some people do not have or want access to the site. That is the only way anything might change someday. Maybe I’m just being naive here, but what else can you do? xcancel was amazing and I hope they can continue in some way. But since…

The unfortunate part is that each individual who attempts to leave is fighting the Network Effect[0]. It's fighting against the human organism's basic social nature. If every person wants to leave the platform but X person stays because Y person is there, and Y person stays because Z person is there, and Z person stays because X person is there then it's a feedback loop. Each person wants a better solution or platfor…

My solution to this is creating bots that repost content on sites like bluesky. The network effect can be overcome because people use a site for the content it has and not necessarily to interact with others

Of course I only do it with accounts that are very obviously intended to be public like news and government accounts otherwise x and meta can argue you were violating user privacy or some shit like that

Re: XCancel service is suspended until further notice

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Post by WarmWash »

swed420 wrote: post #568
WarmWash wrote: post #547

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The article that I need to hand over my monetizable information over to read? The article written by a journalist getting paid to produce content so it can be pushed to the market of articles to retrieve more than it's cost to procure? If they are going to claim to ride a high horse, I'm not paying them any credence when they show up on the same dinkey donkey as everyone else they loudly spite.

Quite the mental gymnastics to simultaneously acknowledge the bootstrapping problem when it suits you, and pretend it doesn't exist otherwise.

I can assure you that whatever the nymag article written by a creative writing major turned socialist journalist says, isn't going to be a life changing read to a long time economics geek.
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