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Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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How can this be stopped, from a technical perspective? Can I wrap the comms in a Faraday cage? Obviously it would be better to have this action be illegal. But with legal privacy protections eroding in the US and other countries, it seems prudent to have a better understanding of the systems involved in the immoral surveillance.

You learn animal husbandry and join the Amish.

You drive an used car from 2016, that is much easier.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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That‘ll happen when you don‘t have meaningful data protection laws.

My question is why, with their protection laws, Smart TVs and Smart Cars are still sold in the EU?

My guess is lobbies buying the political leaders.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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post #114

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HN on average is a little behind on the general EU "privacy" stance (though I saw some recent topic about that here). EU was about privacy, a few decades ago. Nowadays it did a complete U-turn and legislates mandatory anti-privacy union-wide laws every year. - Chat Control law, now all messaging must be intercepted and monitored. - eIDAS law, mandating that web-browser vendors must now accept state issued root certif…

Breathtaking levels of misinformation here. There is no EU law that mandates "all messaging must be intercepted and monitored." There is no EU law mandating permanent, non-disableable cameras and microphones in cars. ProtectEU is not a law, not related to email and does not demand any "backdoors." The AI Act bans real-time facial/biometric recognition in public places... which is a good thing. It does not "legalize A…

> There is no EU law mandating permanent, non-disableable cameras

Too late for that, see the new laws for new cars.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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How do you think right-to-repair intersects with cars? An obvious thing may be to say the software must be published or the spec released, but we've had computers in cars since the 80s. It seems like a tall task but people can and do reverse engineer entire ECU systems (See Trionic Tuning) Another seemingly very obvious one - requiring manufacturers to publish specifications regarding ALL OBD interface options. Of co…

> How do you think right-to-repair intersects with cars? Strongly. You don't own the thing you purchased if you can't legally repair it or legally obtain the knowledge to repair it. At beat you're paying an overpriced lease and granting a liability waiver.

You own something if you can sell it.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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When I was a lad we walked out to the car and did that with the key. In the snow. It wasn't that bad and, despite what you may have heard, was not in fact uphill both ways.

I'm sure you take advantage of a lot of modern conveniences that you didn't have as a lad, and you would prefer to not give those up.

Yeah, but I still have a soft spot for the old classics like privacy, autonomy and dignity.

I don't want to give up my modern conveniences, but I have and will if forced to choose.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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The convenience here for you is CarPlay though. You could instead use a different more accurate gps device you plugin that doesnt have the data leak issues concerned in articles like this one. Then if you really needed you could pull out a sort of external monitor stick it over the other display when carplaying and when needing car-vital features you need the car display for, pull over and temporarily do that thing t…

I think most people would not be on board with your solution, but in general to your point I would say everyone draws the line somewhere different. Yes there are many (maybe most) who will not give up their comforts or risk modifying their vehicle in order to make it more private... but trying to play the judge in a made-up internet game of altruism olympics is not going to convert many people either.

If I came off judgy or higher than thou, I apologize, it wasn't my attempt.

I meant to gracefully share what I did, and hope to have no offended anyone.

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