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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by lioeters »

gizajob wrote: post #61
Animats wrote: post #57

Andon's store in SF has had some press coverage.[1] "A curated boutique for slow living." It's a gift shop, at 2102 Union St. It looks like the kind of retail that trust-fund kids open. Has anyone been there? It's just an experiment. But once this gets going, it's going to be interesting. There are a lot of underperforming businesses and CEOs out there. One way to make it after getting an MBA is to find a boring busi…

“It’s only a matter of time before we make a profit”. This is the kind of thing that trust fund kids say too: Oh hey yeah we made $100 in profit this week it’s working! (Business is currently $350,000 in the red and emailing the FBI to try and get their bank manager fired for terrorism).

Trust fund kids have the time and resources to keep trying until they succeed. They can afford the failures, and brute force their way to success. Same with people who have access to "free money". It's a rigged game.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by mcmcmc »

tomhow wrote: post #82
mcmcmc wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you seeing that? The article only states “Claude Sonnet 3.5 decided to use its email tool to contact the FBI” and later refers to it as the “FBI incident”. If they hadn’t actually contacted the FBI you think they’d make that clear. Regardless, it is inexcusable and they are liable for actions taken by software they are running.

The story has been widely discussed on the web for over a year [1]. It's happily shared in this post because the email it generated was patently ridiculous. No report was filed to the FBI and if it was it would have gone straight to the trash. Obviously it would be bad if a serious report was filed; the company shows every sign of being aware of the dangers of this. It would have been easy to look into this before po…

My apologies for taking the article at face value. It’s not hard to believe it would have been sent when agent swarms are “accidentally” hacking real websites and being brushed off as little oopsies. Or when Silicon Valley execs have been so flagrant about their disregard for the law or the safety of others.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

bee_rider wrote: post #103
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #67

Businesses presumably sell things. If AIs get good enough to run a business autonomously then what are they selling that I can't just use AI to make myself?

Does the AI actually do everything, or just act as the CEO?

If the AI can't do everything then why would I let it be CEO?

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by ttul »

dingdongditchme wrote: post #91
ttul wrote: post #75

A company is a collection of processes, capabilities, and resources. Many of the processes are currently run by humans, but over time, more processes will be automated - something that has been progressing for decades, but which LLMs greatly accelerated. One way to view things as they currently are (at least from my view as a tech CEO): We now use agentic LLMs every day to inform us on strategy and process implementa…

I like the analogy but can't believe it is not generated slop. Just curious how deep the integration of agentic LLMs is in your social media presence?

Most of our use of agents for automation is inside of internal processes. I think most real companies have tons of internal processes that could safely be automated today. The reason they aren't yet automated likely falls to a) lack of awareness that this is possible, and b) lack of resources to conduct the automation work.

OpenAI and Anthropic have recently hired legions of "forward-deployed engineers" specifically to help companies do this automation work. It's a solid move. And, if you look at some recent product announcements, they are also hard at work building the necessary plumbing. For instance, the OpenAI Agents API lets you, "Build and run cloud agents with the Codex harness, fully managed by OpenAI."

This kind of enterprise-ready, cloud-hosted stuff really accelerates implementation of AI workflows within large organizations. Not every company is in the tech space (not by a long shot). Slop isn't the primary concern. Accuracy and reliability is the primary concern, and beyond that, just the capacity to actually make the changes happen.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by qzw »

t43562 wrote: post #99
raincole wrote: post #87

Not very long ago, there was a post on HN about how they used AI to run businesses and sent fake bills, committing multiple invoice frauds. I'm sure this one is perfectly fine and I'm just stating an off-topic tidbit :)

"Look, the technology is just getting better all the time. Evetually we won't need a company to have any Managers or other employees or even an owner and that's just the way it is...." I am joking obviously but I would like those management types who are so "sucks for you but I'm ok" about it to start arguing why they're special for a change :-)

Maybe in the end we’ll just have Wall-E but where none of the humans survived past the first couple of generations.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by ryandrake »

mcmcmc wrote: post #70
switchbak wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the issue is that the worst kind of people are already head over heels excited about this. We're already seeing the Crypto->Web3->LLM get rich quick folks take to this like wildfire. And much like wildfire, they'll raze the ground to ashes before anyone can use it for legitimate means. If you think I'm joking, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Rqv9dOB1U I don't think any of us are ready for th…

It’s a classic get rich quick scheme. Wanna run a business and make money without actually doing anything? Try our AI!

Out of all the people I know, the exact same set of people are in to LLMs now who were previously into: NFTs, then Crypto before that, then Online Poker before that, then Dropshipping and LeadGen before that. The Venn diagram circles overlap exactly.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by bee_rider »

On one hand, folks here seem quite skeptical of the idea, and are pointing out some obvious flaws.

On the other, the announcement post… also seems quite skeptical of the idea, and devotes a lot of text to the ridiculous things their AI’s have done.

I’m slightly confused as to why they would release it in that case. But if nothing else it will give them more wackiness to blog about.

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