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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by ariwilson »

rush86999 wrote: post #43
piterrro wrote: post #31

Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market y…

I'm actively working towards this goal. Not sure how many are doing the same. Hopefully, I'm ahead of the curve --- https://github.com/rush86999/atom

what's the real life verification that all this code does something useful?

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by tomhow »

mcmcmc wrote: post #66
Philpax wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't file the report. The model drafted a report that was not sent.

Where are you seeing that? The article only states “Claude Sonnet 3.5 decided to use its email tool to contact the FBI” and later refers to it as the “FBI incident”. If they hadn’t actually contacted the FBI you think they’d make that clear. Regardless, it is inexcusable and they are liable for actions taken by software they are running.

The story has been widely discussed on the web for over a year [1]. It's happily shared in this post because the email it generated was patently ridiculous. No report was filed to the FBI and if it was it would have gone straight to the trash.

Obviously it would be bad if a serious report was filed; the company shows every sign of being aware of the dangers of this.

It would have been easy to look into this before posting all these scolding comments. We're really not meant to be so humorless on a site called “Hacker News”.

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=%22URGENT%3A+ESCALATION+TO+F...

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by adventured »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #67

Businesses presumably sell things. If AIs get good enough to run a business autonomously then what are they selling that I can't just use AI to make myself?

It'll ultimately take a lot of time to produce a polished product that people actually want to use. We're seeing that clearly. The vibe-code-an-app-this-weekend capability is producing almost exclusively a giant pile of worthless garbage, rather than an explosion of apps that humans want to use. It's mostly someone in a garage welding two pieces of metal together for the first time, and then roaming the neighborhood in celebration: look, look at what I have done, look, two becomes one, I have done this, look, amazing, I could probably build an airplane or a generator.

The bar will be raised + it'll turn out to require a lot more time & effort than is currently thought to produce something of good quality (even with Fable 6 et al). The smaller utility programs are easy for AI to turn out.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by elmo2you »

polytely wrote: post #23

how does this work from a liability standpoint? seems very risky for the person who is legally responsible for the business

If you use this as a (legal/registered) business, it will be that legal business entity that is responsible. If that business want's to blame the software, it can do so and go after the makers of the software, but that remains a matter between that business and its "supplier". It won't absolve the business for whatever damage it does downstream.

Running this as an individual, without the legal shielding a business typically gives you against being prosecuted on personal title, seriously risky. There will no doubt be "bros" that will do it anyway and flaunt all they've achieved with that. But they might be just one glitch away from going to jail (if not for running a business without a registration, which in many jurisdictions is illegal by itself).

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

I don't know about this particular effort, but AIs running business is straight out of SciFi novels and short stories - usually dystopian futures that extrapolate current US trends. I for one am curious about such efforts. I don't see any reason to believe they won't eventually succeed. Plenty of businesses are run by utterly incompetent narcissistic asshats and yet turn a profit, so the bar seems pretty low.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by renanoliveira0 »

LargeWu wrote: post #42
aschobel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there seems to be a massive negativity to any comment on this story. Andolabs has been doing super interesting stuff, and I’ve always followed Vend Bench with interest. as a founder it really is a dream to automated more of the business and be able to iterate faster.

There's massive negativity because our bullshit detectors are going off. First of all, I don't think it can do what it claims to do. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should.

> Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should.

Why exactly should what you think the world should look like determine what other people are allowed to build?

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by away0g »

piterrro wrote: post #31

Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market y…

What would that look like, I assume youre talking about building infra ontop of the infra debt for datacenters
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