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Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by mdp2021 »

Anon1096 wrote: post #155
embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

Literally every single HN thread these days mentioning big companies the top comment is some cynical conspiratorial nonsense. Say Big Tech is out to get you in any way possible no matter how outlandish and people eat it up. Nothing can just happen for good or neutral reasons it's always tied to some master plan.

> for good or neutral reasons

Are you capable of identifying dystopian movements the single moves of which get justified as "for people's good"?

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by cobolcomesback »

cyanydeez wrote: post #204
embedding-shape wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find is bizarre people think knowing a single boolean about 18 years of age provides anything You're hopelessly naive if you think this is all they get out of it.

you think knowing whether a user is 18 or older is more valuable than browser/cli/network finger prints? Truly naive is the mirror you're looking into. We agree these are useless contrivances, but positing constantly that "this is just some great surveillance game" as opposed to the offloading of government responsibilities to private industry in the hope of removing all social regulatory liabilities? Naive is how yo…

It’s wild how many people think that these tech companies are capable of some major conspiracy where they’re gathering and tracking user data for some unknown-but-nefarious purposes… while simultaneously also ignoring or even rejecting the reality that this has already been happening, for years.

It’s like people claiming that Alexa is listening to their conversations to spy on them… when the reality is much worse. Every website you visit and app you download is spying on every single action you take, and they’ve gotten so good at it that they don’t need to listen to your conversations. They already know stuff about you without you even saying it out loud.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by matheusmoreira »

layer8 wrote: post #231
matheusmoreira wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m glad that I can drink alcohol once in a while without becoming an outlaw, even though I know the effects aren’t harmless. I'm sure teenagers feel the same way.

So you’re saying that maturity should be completely disregarded? I don’t get your point.

The point is the argument is invalid. Why is it that adults get to freely fuck their lives up? If it's bad enough to ban for kids, then it's probably bad enough to ban society wide.

"Children" needs further qualification as well. Anglosphere calls anything under 18 years old a "child", which completely disregards adolescence where major brain development takes place. Some five year old generally isn't capable of deciding things, but teenagers absolutely are.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by matheusmoreira »

CrazyStat wrote: post #235
Muhammad523 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fact, a 17-year-old is clueless while a person one year older isn't

If a law is going to treat 5 year olds differently from 50 year olds then a line has to be drawn somewhere. 18 is arbitrary, but no more arbitrary than any other age you could pick.

The law could evaluate people as individuals instead of conjuring up some idiotic magic number.

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Post by egorfine »

edukite wrote: post #10

And TikTok is not available for minors in Poland yet a know 11y old who publish there so yeah, good to pretend

Warsaw here. I will do everything in my power to keep my kids connected to whatever social networks they want. The state will not be able to censor the internet for my kids.

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Post by vjulian »

NichoPaolucci wrote: post #157
whazor wrote: post #83

I can understand the concerns but at the same time it feels weird to deny young people the ability to make their ideas reality. I got proper internet access when I was 12 and that is how I taught myself how to program.

Perhaps they can make their ideas reality by learning the fundamentals required to do these things. As much as I think AI is a productivity enhancer, I still think that it's beneficial for people who are still developing their brains. Kids should be thinking for themselves, they barely know how to do it yet.

That’s an excellent philosophy that ought be applied to your own child but not extended to others.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

This is the same thought process behind 2fa. (And to externalize Google’s spam problem).

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by panny »

Techbros: It's fine to demand ID verification for everything, except voting, because that's racist.

But, it's nice that Anthropic is finally admitting claude is just a casino of code. Keep pulling that one armed bandit, maybe you'll get the right code next time.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by kps »

TZubiri wrote: post #126
embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

This cynic take only makes sense if you have no children btw, because for you children don't exist, but you as an adult exist, so you only consider the possible impacts this may have on you as an adult. That the impacts on adults are negligible compared on children is irrelevant, because they are multiplied by 0, since they don't apply to you, so you only consider the infitesimal effect it has on you as an adult. For…

The impact on ‘minors’ is even greater.

In first year university I was 17. Imagine being that person today: 90% of the class can use LLMs, but you can't.

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