This is irrelevant. The really dangerous ones are the video-game players.
I don't know why you got downvoted, as I found your sarcasm humorous. :)
NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
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Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#42So here's an explanation of why these stories have been done...this is not unheard of open records project and several have been done before... 1. The accountability angle is that this allows the public to see who is allowed to own guns. In some jurisdictions where regulations are strict, these stories have exposed how gun permits go to those with political favor or to those who aren't legally permitted to have a lic…
How about a map of compact items with a high street resale value?
That's what this is.
Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was public information before this interactive map.
That doesn't really matter in this case. Browsing public registries manually is one thing, having an interactive map is another. The latter makes it orders of magnitude easier to do what the original commenter suggested.
So you're blaming the website for showing some publicly available information in a more accessible form?
That's security by obscurity. So not security.
Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#44This will be really helpful for those that want to steal and resell guns on the black market. Hopefully the newspaper will follow up with a list of the addresses of those with costly jewelry, and narcotic pain medication prescriptions, along with schedules of the times they are at work. And yes, perfect example of the dangers of registration.
But at least they will be better able to defend themselves as their guns are robbed from them
This is petty comment. Most home intrusions in the US occur when no one is home. If you were planning on robbing a home that is known to have guns would you not be a little preemptive and attempt to do it when no one is there?
Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was public information before this interactive map.
That doesn't really matter in this case. Browsing public registries manually is one thing, having an interactive map is another. The latter makes it orders of magnitude easier to do what the original commenter suggested.
From a 'security' perspective, this seems like an objectively good thing to me. If having this data publicly available is a good thing, then this map is a good thing - the more exposure, the better. If it's a bad thing, then the higher exposure resulting from this makes it more likely that a change in policy will happen.
The status quo (prior to the publication of this map) was that the information is publicly available but only a few people were aware of it. I can't imagine any argument for that being the optimal situation.
Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was public information before this interactive map.
Sure, but the criminal element isn't exactly known for its high IQ. By making it easily accessible, you are inviting abuse and ultimately, the political will to make that public information private. On top of everything, the law of unintended consequences is at play here. I wouldn't worry about somebody breaking in to steal your gun ... I would worry about the neighbor who doesn't show up on the map. I can rob him wi…
You're basically arguing against the visualization of information.
Just think of how dumb that is.
You might as well argue to publish all government data in Klingon, it will make the life of dumb criminals even harder.
Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#47So here's an explanation of why these stories have been done...this is not unheard of open records project and several have been done before... 1. The accountability angle is that this allows the public to see who is allowed to own guns. In some jurisdictions where regulations are strict, these stories have exposed how gun permits go to those with political favor or to those who aren't legally permitted to have a lic…
How about a map of compact items with a high street resale value? That's what this is.
Which kind of compact items do you have in mind that are regulated by police bureaucracy?
Also, read the OP. This is a map of permit holders, not of gun owners.
Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#48In theory there should be nothing wrong with putting already-publicly available data online in a format digestible by the general public. The issue is that we put permit holders on a public list in the first place. These are law abiding citizens who have registered their guns legally. Making the information public, especially in stunts like this, does nothing but dissuade people from registering their firearms to avo…
But at least they have guns to defend themselves!
As was mentioned above this is a silly comment. Most burglaries in the US occur when no one is home. Which is done for a reason as 50% of the people in this country have fire arms. Where as in countries such as UK with strict gun laws almost 1/2 of the burglaries are committed when someone is home.
Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#49In theory there should be nothing wrong with putting already-publicly available data online in a format digestible by the general public. The issue is that we put permit holders on a public list in the first place. These are law abiding citizens who have registered their guns legally. Making the information public, especially in stunts like this, does nothing but dissuade people from registering their firearms to avo…
What's more, this may well provide data for would-be gun thieves to use to acquire illegal weapons. Now that they have a convenient list, they can stake out these locations, wait for the residents to leave, and break in to begin their search for guns they know will be inside.
Ok, ignoring the fact that this is a map of permits, you do realize that there are different kinds of permits, right? Someone's permit could be for business, which means the handgun,if they even have one, may not even be at the house. Or worse, it's conceal and carry, which means if the owner comes home when the burglar is vainly trying to find the gun, that burglar is in trouble.
I know burglars may be low lifes, but they're also kind of lazy. The time it would take to thoroughly research a gun burglary could be sent going to another state and buying legal guns by the bundle.
Re: NY newspaper runs interactive map with names, addresses of gun permit holders
#50This is absolutely terrible. This is a perfect example of the persecution gun owners fear when they're asked to register their weapons. We need more gun registration and exposing data like this does nothing but hinder that goal.
Not if criminals use the data to avoid these houses. Then people might register in greater numbers. They might buy a gun just to get on the public list.
Two variables of risk that factor into a criminal's decision:
1) Is the house occupied? 2) Are the occupants armed?
Providing an answer to the second question only helps the criminal by letting them know that they can perform an armed robbery with no resistance.