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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

avodonosov wrote: post #974
BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been searching for one hour, and the only truly safe thing is an HTPC linked to an OS-free commercial display like these large VAs from ViewSonic: https://www.viewsonic.com/global/products/commercial-display... (goes from 45" to 100").

What software would you install on the HTPC? User will typically want to have a remote control and have applications like youtube.

At first I thought about something like https://libreelec.tv/ but Kodi instead of the much more powerful mpv is not an option.

So probably a custom lightweight distro with mpv outputting to DRM directly and a game controller to navigate some file explorer ? Maybe try to script around some speech-to-text LLM to be able to say "Play me X", heh.

Or just control it via ssh because that's actually simpler for me.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by ASalazarMX »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #932
TonyStr wrote: post #900

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IANAL, but only the owner can consent through the TOS. The owner does not collect or process the data, so it's entirely on LG to ensure proper consent, not the owner. Breaking a TOS is not a crime, and can only be punished by restricting or disallowing access to a service, but collecting personal data without consent is a huge problem in the EU.

It’s clearly unreasonable to assume that LG can know and procure consent from everyone you choose to allow into your living room. It’s reasonable to push the burden of procuring that consent onto whoever controls entry to the space, with terms like this. As a thought experiment, let’s take a service like Zoom where you can record video of participants. It’s reasonable to say “you’re operating the camera, if someone a…

> It’s clearly unreasonable to assume that LG can know and procure consent from everyone you choose to allow into your living room.

If only they had a big interface to ask the user to push [AGREE] to consent to be spied upon. I would call it a RemoteVision and put the button in a wireless TeleControl so the user can easily agree every time they turn on the device.

We might not have the technological capabilities for this, but one can dream.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by spockz »

autoexec wrote: post #978
tjoff wrote: post #968

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If I'm a passenger in a tesla, does the owner and/or tesla break a law when neither informs me that I'm being spied on?

Maybe? If they aren't we should change our laws so that they would be. We don't have to normalize or accept companies wiretapping and spying on people just because spying makes those companies more profit.

Is a tesla spying on you by default and uploading onboard audio and video? If so, yes definitely that is a crime.

If the Tesla is monitoring for whether you are awake behind the wheel and sounds the alarm without that information ever leaving the car, that is another thing entirely.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

trashb wrote: post #924
dghlsakjg wrote: post #758

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There are limits. You can’t waive certain rights, and you can’t overwrite certain laws. The issue is that we haven’t made this shit against the law yet.

The problem is the ToS can be overruled by the law. But you can still put wild stuff in there without consequence, it just won't hold up in court of course. However this makes it so that companies use the ToS as a scare tactic to deter people going to court in the first place, "look you agreed to us being able to do something illegal, you will lose court against our expensive lawyers". ToS from a lot of tech companie…

What's even crazier is that companies doing this have a full team of lawyers, they know it won't hold up in court, but they also know there are no consequences for deliberately put things there that won't hold up in court.

A bit more crazy that they are gambling on the likelihood of winning in case they are actually challenged, cementing a twisted precedent just to keep the next quarter on trend.

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by autoexec »

spockz wrote: post #983
autoexec wrote: post #978

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe? If they aren't we should change our laws so that they would be. We don't have to normalize or accept companies wiretapping and spying on people just because spying makes those companies more profit.

Is a tesla spying on you by default and uploading onboard audio and video? If so, yes definitely that is a crime. If the Tesla is monitoring for whether you are awake behind the wheel and sounds the alarm without that information ever leaving the car, that is another thing entirely.

I know that internally Tesla was passing around videos of people having sex in their cars. Seems more like spying to me.

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Post by SamuelAdams »

myrmidon wrote: post #404

Modems becoming super cheap is gonna be a big problem for this, because those make it even harder to prevent such snooping. Just imagine having to jam the devices in your own home just to stop them from profiling you. Better pray to your deer god that modem + data contract is gonna stay more expensive that the expected value from selling more data... We really need regulation to stop this.

Cars already do this.

https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-...

https://apnews.com/article/auto-car-privacy-3674ce59c9b30f28...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telematic_control_unit

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by SamuelAdams »

newhotelowner wrote: post #517

Almost all new hotel/hospital TVs have access to the internet, and more than half are LG TVs, and other half are Samsung.

I do wonder what this does with HIPAA laws. Will TV's need to be removed from hospital rooms, or vetted specifically for microphones and cameras?

Re: 216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by jascination »

ctippett wrote: post #328

I commented this only a few days ago on a different LG related thread. What LG are doing is indefensible and we should all vote with our wallets when considering a new TV... but for those who already own an LG TV you really owe it to yourself to jailbreak it and make it "yours", so to speak. > OpenLGTV[1] is a collective, non-commercial project for legal reverse engineering and research of LG (Smart and non Smart) TV…

This looks old and outdated if you have anything newer than a tv from 2021 sadly

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Post by hoherd »

gedy wrote: post #798
mitxela wrote: post #772

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What if the network isn't on a separate card?

Then if you are lucky, the telescreen is in an unusual position. By sitting in the alcove, and keeping well back, you might be able to remain outside the range of the telescreen.

It's comical how close to the telescreen this whole thing is.

> The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely.

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