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Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by snorremd »

exfalso wrote: post #328
snorremd wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before I went European sovereign for my own personal stack I used Cloudflare for hosting static and somewhat dynamic websites and it has become really nice the later years. There is almost no mention of "regions" in Cloudflare. Your content and code runs globally by default. With traditional clouds you need to think about how you distribute your application. At least that is my experience. Maybe they provide global C…

What do you use as a European CDN atm?

Currently I don’t use any CDN. I just host everything on Scaleway on VMs and serverless. Works pretty well for my use, but I imagine latency is bad for South Americans. I’ve looked into Bunny and I think that is the closest you get to Cloudflare’s offerings.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by MentalM »

atakan_gurkan wrote: post #151
aivisol wrote: post #144

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Please speak for yourself. Not everyone in Europe thinks US is bigger problem than China. For many China is far bigger geopolitical threat since they openly support Russia in its current war.

Honestly, I had the impression that the current US regime also supports Russia in its current war. Did they not ask Ukraine to give the already occupied land and then some? As far as I remember, that was in a form almost like an ultimatum, too. China might be a bigger threat, but I find it hard to believe that this would be the reason.

> Did they not ask Ukraine to give the already occupied land and then some?

I mean what are the alternatives? Ask Ukraine to give the already occupied land and then some, but later, when several more millions of Ukrainian men would be grabbed by Ukrainian gestapo from the streets like rabid animals and killed?

Because with current support from the EU (that is less then EU support for Greece during economic crisis), that is the only alternative.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by KronisLV »

frevib wrote: post #333
exfalso wrote: post #328

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What do you use as a European CDN atm?

https://bunny.net/

You know, the pricing page lays the features out pretty nicely, surprised that they're not way more popular: https://bunny.net/pricing/

Though I do remember some storage related complaints here on HN, other than that I haven't seen much about them on this site either!

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by BenzeneDream »

Roark66 wrote: post #169
aivisol wrote: post #144

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Please speak for yourself. Not everyone in Europe thinks US is bigger problem than China. For many China is far bigger geopolitical threat since they openly support Russia in its current war.

As a European that lives 200km from the Russian border it seems the USA has been supporting Russia in its current war a lot more than China. Consider these points: - US withdrawing it's "Intel support" just as Russia started a major offensive last year. - US starting the war on Iran clearly to help their pal Putin on oil prices, now they try to use Ukraine as a scapegoat for "attacking Russian oil export infrastructu…

This is incredibly inaccurate. China is why Russia is still even in the war and is still a functioning country. The EU itself supports Russia much more than the US does with its energy imports.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mitxela »

done_lurking wrote: post #258
mopsi wrote: post #159

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> The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. That depends heavily on the kind of site you're hosting there. I have a small site on Cloudflare that lists a brief introduction of a sawmill, its operating hours and contacts, and a map that advises which roads to take to reach it. Everything's public already. There's some very modest value in tracking who…

Do you really need Cloudflare for something like this?

He doesn't, but someone told him it was good so he uses it. This is Cloudflare's main audience, just like McAfee's.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mitxela »

everfrustrated wrote: post #343
mitxela wrote: post #293

People rarely reach for a CDN. They only ever reach for Cloudflare. Nobody's reaching for Akamai without a good sales pitch, nobody's tossing up between Akamai and Cloudflare, everyone's using CF because it's free. And they don't need the thing CF offers, they don't go out looking for it, it comes to them and they say "that sounds neat" and set it up.

Last I looked you can't even use Akamai without signing a sales agreement ahead of using them.

That's how most businesses work, yes.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mitxela »

seki285 wrote: post #305
mitxela wrote: post #293

People rarely reach for a CDN. They only ever reach for Cloudflare. Nobody's reaching for Akamai without a good sales pitch, nobody's tossing up between Akamai and Cloudflare, everyone's using CF because it's free. And they don't need the thing CF offers, they don't go out looking for it, it comes to them and they say "that sounds neat" and set it up.

Nobody can also afford Akamai unless you're a fortune 500 company, CDN alternative like bunny.net exist but it lacks so much compared to cloudflare.

What are your requirements

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

CommanderData wrote: post #98
pocksuppet wrote: post #65

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The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

Is there any evidence of this

If the design, e.g., TLS termination by a third party such as CF, allows for spying, then waiting for evidence of spying is not a good strategy to avoid spying

For example, if evidence becomes available that someone (besides CF) is spying on CF's customers,^1 then for those customers it's too late. For the network traffic that flowed through CF before the evidence became available, any privacy, secrecy or confidentiality has been lost

The damage of being spied upon, if there is any, is already done

1. It's not clear why commenters are only concerned about intelligence agencies

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by nightpool »

ghoul2 wrote: post #299
piperswe wrote: post #178

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Transit in some countries, like India, genuinely is that expensive. Keep in mind it doesn’t cost Cloudflare any more to serve Indian traffic from Marsaille than to serve non-peered French traffic from that colo - they aren’t paying the cost of getting traffic between India and France.

The traffic still has to flow from an india provider to the international leg and back via the domestic provider. In anycase, then they should document it clearly that they have unacceptable insertion latency in india and the free plan is entirely unusable for india. Instead of advertising '10 pops in india!!'

> The traffic still has to flow from an india provider to the international leg and back via the domestic provider.

Right, but Cloudflare doesn't have to pay for it in that case. If Cloudflare sends you to their Indian POP, then they have to pay their Indian service provider for traffic. If they send you to their France POP, then they have to pay their French ISP for traffic. The Indian provider cannot claim any of Cloudflare's traffic in that case, because the Indian service provider wouldn't have any relationship with Cloudflare

This is very standard for places with high ISP costs, like South Korea and India. You can see a lot of discussion about it online. I agree with you that Cloudflare should be more transparent if / when they make different routing decision for Free/Pro plans based on bandwidth costs, but I don't think their decision itself is unreasonable at all. Indian bandwidth is very expensive.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by seki285 »

mitxela wrote: post #325
seki285 wrote: post #303

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>talks about how bad Cloudflare is with imaginary threats >doesn't offer an alternative and leaves Every. Single. Time.

The alternative is nothing. You don't actually need cloudflare.

And get hammered by bots, scrapers, and bad actors?
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