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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

embedding-shape wrote: post #16
cbg0 wrote: post #9

> The front door is not the whole stack Hey Claude, can you move the ciphercue blog to Cloudflare so it can deal with traffic from HN? On a more serious note, Cloudflare comes packed with features even on its free plan which makes it useful for any size website. For a real business it's one of the cheapest options for DDoS protection on the market. Some years ago you would have paid a fortune for Akamai or Level3 to…

> now you can get by on a $200 a month plan for a small business You're delusional if you think that $200/month is appropriate for a small business to pay to host a website ... Most websites don't need a CDN nor DDOS protection, you need to configure your webserver to rate limit stuff that suck bandwidth/CPU from you, but besides that, you've basically fallen for the marketing from Cloudflare that everything requires…

I think their delusion is probably in what they consider a small business. A lot of people on here, given their work experience, think of small as something with a few hundred employees.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by frevib »

Havoc wrote: post #2

Bunny.net is a good alternative - they don’t have CF depth of offerings but are getting there

We use them en they have improved a lot in the last year. For edge services they have all the important thing like ddos protection and edge scripting. There is no replacement for Cloudflare Tunnel, but frp [1] is a good alternative.

We don’t miss Cloudflare one bit.

[1] https://github.com/fatedier/frp

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by pyvpx »

amelius wrote: post #38

But isn't a CDN a commodity? I.e., you can switch to a different one with almost no effort.

How does that quip go again…there are only two difficulties in computer science, cache invalidation, naming things, and counting.

Going from one CDN to another can be infuriating even at a surprisingly small scale. Mostly (imo) from caching semantics and counting.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by pocksuppet »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by eckesicle »

microtonal wrote: post #35
embedding-shape wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more like the PR arm of US big tech) is even trickier. I'm thinking the opposite might be the way to go here. We already know that "retaliation" comes from the US government regardless if you did something or not, so most of us (Europeans) have stopped pretending there is a way of preventing it. Even more, if we piss off Trump eno…

While I theoretically agree, the issue is that Trump will connect economical issues to blowing up NATO Article 5, leaving NATO completely, or retracting intelligence or Starlink for Ukraine. So for the most part, the EU has to work slowly and under the radar. That said, my worry is that we'll be back to business as usual if the midterms look favorable. Even the urgency present during January's Greenland threats was g…

I asked the Swedish Prime Minister this question almost verbatim on Reddit two days ago and he responded. The answer was ... understated.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/1w8p0z4/comment/p84...

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by pocksuppet »

embedding-shape wrote: post #11
noir_lord wrote: post #4

Since it appears to have gotten hugged to death - https://web.archive.org/web/20260908084626/https://ciphercue... Not really unexpected, US domination of "tech" is near total, even if the sustained political will exists (and I'm not sure it will for long enough) unwinding that is the expensive work of years/decades not months. Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more…

> Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more like the PR arm of US big tech) is even trickier. I'm thinking the opposite might be the way to go here. We already know that "retaliation" comes from the US government regardless if you did something or not, so most of us (Europeans) have stopped pretending there is a way of preventing it. Even more, if we piss off Trump eno…

Trump doesn't need to block European access to Cloudflare when Europe already blocks European access to Cloudflare on weekends. In Spain and Italy. And yet, this hasn't deterred European businesses from using Cloudflare and blocking their own customers.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by embedding-shape »

pocksuppet wrote: post #67
embedding-shape wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more like the PR arm of US big tech) is even trickier. I'm thinking the opposite might be the way to go here. We already know that "retaliation" comes from the US government regardless if you did something or not, so most of us (Europeans) have stopped pretending there is a way of preventing it. Even more, if we piss off Trump eno…

Trump doesn't need to block European access to Cloudflare when Europe already blocks European access to Cloudflare on weekends. In Spain and Italy. And yet, this hasn't deterred European businesses from using Cloudflare and blocking their own customers.

Great, more misinformation. "Europe" doesn't block access to Cloudflare on weekends in either Spain nor Italy. Source: I live in Spain, and I'm affected by the blocks you're referring to, that happen because of shitty Spanish judges forcing Spanish ISPs to block access to specific Cloudflare properties.

Why not take even two seconds to check if what you're guessing about, might actually be correct or not? Or the goal is just FUD here?

> And yet, this hasn't deterred European businesses from using Cloudflare and blocking their own customers.

Maybe because the impact of these blocks aren't as large as you allude to? Things change, these blocklists get updated. What was blocked 6 months ago no longer is, when these anti-piracy blocks happen.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with these blocks at all, and AFAIK, they break both national laws and wider "rights", but lets not pretend it's bigger than what it is in reality.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by zkmon »

noir_lord wrote: post #4

Since it appears to have gotten hugged to death - https://web.archive.org/web/20260908084626/https://ciphercue... Not really unexpected, US domination of "tech" is near total, even if the sustained political will exists (and I'm not sure it will for long enough) unwinding that is the expensive work of years/decades not months. Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more…

>> US domination of "tech" is near total.

Not quite when considering China having the tech freedom they wanted. Also switching internet services is far easier than switching physical supply chains. The only thing that might be hard to switch is the part of the interent backbone infra that is controlled by USA.

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