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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by jonathanstrange »

strictnein wrote: post #283
jonathanstrange wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was the director of an agency of the size of the NSA and was evaluating the options purely from that perspective, I'd aim at creating a file on every living citizen on earth, including their social network topology and their activities. Basically a Google search engine that includes information not publicly accessible. I'd create much larger files for persons of interest and authorize targeted surveillance of th…

Yeah, I'm sure some system like that exists, although I'd assume that would be more in the CIA's purview. I'd be surprised if they kept a broad swath of data for most people though as the tech companies already do it and it's constantly up to date. If needed, a fed lawyer can work through the FISA court and the tech companies are obliged to provide the records.

According to the information I have, the CIA is unlikely to be involved with SIGINT of that type. It's just not their role. I agree that most of the information the NSA might collect will come from publicly available sources like data brokers, particularly if US citizens are involved. However, what I was talking about concerns real-time capabilities and predictive power, it's very different from targeted surveillance and anything involving courts.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by DANmode »

strictnein wrote: post #261
milkshakes wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore for the sota from 20 years ago

Yes, I'm well aware of XKeyscore. If it required ~700 servers in ~150 locations (mostly US military bases and embassies) to surveil a small slice of internet and other traffic back then, how many would it require now? How many locations would those servers need to be situated? And how would NSA positions situated in embassies capture all of that Internet traffic in a foreign country without getting noticed? Just thin…

You’re talking about two different things.

One is where their hardware for storing data is. The other commenter was talking about global taps (the sources for the data), of which the Wikipedia article is not speculating the number of.

> how would NSA positions situated in embassies capture all of that Internet traffic in a foreign country without getting noticed?

ISP taps globally, undersea cable taps, the list goes on.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by seki285 »

pocksuppet wrote: post #65
jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

>talks about how bad Cloudflare is with imaginary threats

>doesn't offer an alternative and leaves

Every. Single. Time.

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Post by axus »

strictnein wrote: post #261
milkshakes wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore for the sota from 20 years ago

Yes, I'm well aware of XKeyscore. If it required ~700 servers in ~150 locations (mostly US military bases and embassies) to surveil a small slice of internet and other traffic back then, how many would it require now? How many locations would those servers need to be situated? And how would NSA positions situated in embassies capture all of that Internet traffic in a foreign country without getting noticed? Just thin…

You think the politicians are going to say "The career employees made some convincing arguments about why this is impractical / immoral, guess we'll give up our unregulated power/omniscience"? Or, they will raise the military budgets and continue skipping the audits.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by seki285 »

mitxela wrote: post #293

People rarely reach for a CDN. They only ever reach for Cloudflare. Nobody's reaching for Akamai without a good sales pitch, nobody's tossing up between Akamai and Cloudflare, everyone's using CF because it's free. And they don't need the thing CF offers, they don't go out looking for it, it comes to them and they say "that sounds neat" and set it up.

Nobody can also afford Akamai unless you're a fortune 500 company, CDN alternative like bunny.net exist but it lacks so much compared to cloudflare.

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Post by ARandomerDude »

mitxela wrote: post #295
icantevenhold wrote: post #223

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Heck the NSA backdoored our head of states phones - if “NSA wants my data” is your threat model you are pretty much cooked everywhere. Even if you host on your own server and operate everything yourself it’s no big secret that the NSA is listening in on the node/isp level

You may as well make them work hard to get it. The NSA can only get metadata from your ISP.

This is a joke. If it's electronic the NSA can hack it with impunity, including your ISP. And that's assuming your ISP won't just give them whatever they ask for (unlikely).

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Post by preisschild »

shevy-java wrote: post #83
zkmon wrote: post #70

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>> US domination of "tech" is near total. Not quite when considering China having the tech freedom they wanted. Also switching internet services is far easier than switching physical supply chains. The only thing that might be hard to switch is the part of the interent backbone infra that is controlled by USA.

You are not living in Europe, right? Because while I agree that China is a problem, the USA is a much, much bigger problem for Europeans than China is right now. It's mostly the USA that wants to depict China as the main problem when in reality the USA behaves in a hugely aggressive colonial manner. Trump just makes this more obvious, but that has been the case way before Trump already.

I'm from Europa and consider China a far bigger threat. Trump is probably going to get replaced by a Democrat in a few years. China has been ruled by dictators for decades and probably will be for decades and they are a lot more hostile to democratic nations.

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Post by preisschild »

OptionX wrote: post #288
aivisol wrote: post #144

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Please speak for yourself. Not everyone in Europe thinks US is bigger problem than China. For many China is far bigger geopolitical threat since they openly support Russia in its current war.

Between China and the US which have laid claim to Greenland and have in no uncertain terms said they would use military force to acquire it?

Which one provides weapons to Russia, a nation in an active war against Europe?

And AFAIK the US has not even claimed Greenland.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #256
icantevenhold wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heck the NSA backdoored our head of states phones - if “NSA wants my data” is your threat model you are pretty much cooked everywhere. Even if you host on your own server and operate everything yourself it’s no big secret that the NSA is listening in on the node/isp level

"The “threat model” section of a security paper resembles the script for a telenovela that was written by a paranoid schizophrenic: there are elaborate narratives and grand conspiracy theories, and there are heroes and villains with fantastic (yet oddly constrained) powers that necessitate a grinding battle of emotional and technical attrition. In the real world, threat models are much simpler (see Figure 1). Basical…

Man, can I get that as a telenovela? I want to hear my mother in law explain the plot.

I remember my mom watching novelas in the 2000s they were something else, nowadays they're all over the place.

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Post by whh »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #306
mitxela wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may as well make them work hard to get it. The NSA can only get metadata from your ISP.

This is a joke. If it's electronic the NSA can hack it with impunity, including your ISP. And that's assuming your ISP won't just give them whatever they ask for (unlikely).

I did once theorise that Cloudflare would be a fantastic NSA front.
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