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Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mopsi »

done_lurking wrote: post #258
mopsi wrote: post #159

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> The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. That depends heavily on the kind of site you're hosting there. I have a small site on Cloudflare that lists a brief introduction of a sawmill, its operating hours and contacts, and a map that advises which roads to take to reach it. Everything's public already. There's some very modest value in tracking who…

Do you really need Cloudflare for something like this?

It's free hosting. Push to github and changes to the website appear in 30 seconds. Even the build step for the static site is handled by Cloudflare.

And I'm satisfied with Cloudflare's explanation to the free hosting: the more sites are on Cloudflare, the more are ISPs interested in having good connections to Cloudflare. Makes sense.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by leonidasrup »

DANmode wrote: post #302
strictnein wrote: post #261

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Yes, I'm well aware of XKeyscore. If it required ~700 servers in ~150 locations (mostly US military bases and embassies) to surveil a small slice of internet and other traffic back then, how many would it require now? How many locations would those servers need to be situated? And how would NSA positions situated in embassies capture all of that Internet traffic in a foreign country without getting noticed? Just thin…

You’re talking about two different things. One is where their hardware for storing data is. The other commenter was talking about global taps (the sources for the data), of which the Wikipedia article is not speculating the number of. > how would NSA positions situated in embassies capture all of that Internet traffic in a foreign country without getting noticed? ISP taps globally, undersea cable taps, the list goes…

Most Tier 1 network owners are U.S. companies or U.S. friendly companies, tapping undersea cables is not necessary in many cases, just ask the owner.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by frevib »

exfalso wrote: post #328
snorremd wrote: post #202

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Before I went European sovereign for my own personal stack I used Cloudflare for hosting static and somewhat dynamic websites and it has become really nice the later years. There is almost no mention of "regions" in Cloudflare. Your content and code runs globally by default. With traditional clouds you need to think about how you distribute your application. At least that is my experience. Maybe they provide global C…

What do you use as a European CDN atm?

https://bunny.net/

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by pocksuppet »

strictnein wrote: post #275
celsoazevedo wrote: post #263

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There's a lot of important data that runs through Cloudflare, so I think it's a bit naive to think that there's nothing interesting for the NSA there.

Of course, but the comment I was replying to stated: "the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers" Which implies that they are looking at it all and records it. The vast, vast majority of Cloudflare's traffic is worthless to an intelligence agency.

They are actively scanning all of it, looking for interesting stuff.

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Post by pocksuppet »

youngtaff wrote: post #317
cassianoleal wrote: post #106

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No, but nothing comes close to their breadth and scale.

Amazon and Akamai is their scale, maybe Fastly too

They are serving big commercial enterprises, ones the government already has direct access to. Cloudflare is serving the long tail.

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Post by GMoromisato »

aivisol wrote: post #144
shevy-java wrote: post #83

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You are not living in Europe, right? Because while I agree that China is a problem, the USA is a much, much bigger problem for Europeans than China is right now. It's mostly the USA that wants to depict China as the main problem when in reality the USA behaves in a hugely aggressive colonial manner. Trump just makes this more obvious, but that has been the case way before Trump already.

Please speak for yourself. Not everyone in Europe thinks US is bigger problem than China. For many China is far bigger geopolitical threat since they openly support Russia in its current war.

My hope as an American is that China's growing power will bring Europe and the US closer together.

It's true that MAGA craziness has pushed Europe aways from us. But, ironically, Europe increasing defense spending and standing up an independent military machine will actually make some MAGA people like Europe more.

But either way, the best thing for both the US and Europe is to figure out a way to reconcile. The alternative is a Europe-China alliance (which would be bad for Europe) or a US-China alliance (which would be horrific for Europe).

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Post by tlogan »

The biggest problem with Europe is the lack of innovation. But that was not an issue before.

Before the 2000s, Europe was very very strong in telecom (Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens, Alcatel), industrial technology, the auto industry, mobile phones, semiconductors, and enterprise software (SAP, Baan, Business Objects, Dassault Systèmes, sage). Europe was definitely much less dependent on U.S. technology back then. In some area I would say it was the other way around.

But Europe's dependence on U.S. technology has accelerated dramatically over the last 10-15 years.

I'm really not sure why. Regulation and bureaucracy did not get worse. And Europe even created the EU, which provided a better "single market" (better than before the 2000s).

I would love to hear some opinions on what changed.

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Post by pocksuppet »

done_lurking wrote: post #259
stef25 wrote: post #208

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Maybe that's why the keep hosting extremist content.

I thought Cloudflare generally refuses to serve those kinds of sites. What content is Cloudflare serving that is extremist?

Many torrent sites, that's a kind of extremism.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by pocksuppet »

vaylian wrote: post #10

Naive question: How important is it to use a CDN in the first place? Why can't you just serve the content yourself?

In most cases, it's not important and you can, but you are bandwagoning and/or being fearmongered to.
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