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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by pjmlp »

mrits wrote: post #145
pjmlp wrote: post #25

The problem is that we have spent 40 years adopting US technology, across multiple generations of software developers and decision makers, while everyone was supposedly on the same side. It will take similar amount of years to go back into the cold war heterogeneous computing landscape of the 60, early 90s. This assuming there would be an willingness across all European countries to actually push for that, and not ju…

The current Europe strategy seems to be to pay software engineers less money and hope for a superior product. I'm not sure how you'd catch up when some of your engineers literally make less than our fast food workers.

I rather have 30 day vacations, a proper life with 40h work week, healthcare, union membership, than SV salaries, which are nontheless an exception, most of the developers, that aren't even properly accredited Software Engineers, get the same salary as most office workers.

In which country do fast food workers get higher salaries than office workers, unless we are talking about tourism industry outside Europe, with said workers getting tips in Euros and Dollars instead of local currency?

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by snorremd »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

Before I went European sovereign for my own personal stack I used Cloudflare for hosting static and somewhat dynamic websites and it has become really nice the later years. There is almost no mention of "regions" in Cloudflare. Your content and code runs globally by default. With traditional clouds you need to think about how you distribute your application. At least that is my experience. Maybe they provide global CDN for global distribution of static content. But serverless containers and databases more or less run in a single region by default. And if you wish to distribute stuff it is on you to plan the architecture behind that.

Now stuff like Cloudflare D1, the distributed SQLite based database, have its limitations. Writes are directed to a specific datacenter/region behind the scenes, so some regions might get slower writes. But this is basically something that happens behind the scenes and just works. You need to think about where your primary base of customers live when you create the database, after that you don't think about regions. R2 (S3 compatible storage) just works globally as well.

A lot of what Cloudflare offers now feels like magic in a good way. I realize they don't have everything AWS, Google Cloud and Azure have. But they have enough that you can build serious systems on top of their infrastructure. They are no longer just a CDN/proxy provider. And their offering is seriously cheap.

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Post by Neil44 »

noir_lord wrote: post #4

Since it appears to have gotten hugged to death - https://web.archive.org/web/20260908084626/https://ciphercue... Not really unexpected, US domination of "tech" is near total, even if the sustained political will exists (and I'm not sure it will for long enough) unwinding that is the expensive work of years/decades not months. Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more…

Ironic that an article about a CDN was hugged to death. The free plan with a couple of caching rules could have sorted that.

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Post by bell-cot »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #175
noir_lord wrote: post #4

Since it appears to have gotten hugged to death - https://web.archive.org/web/20260908084626/https://ciphercue... Not really unexpected, US domination of "tech" is near total, even if the sustained political will exists (and I'm not sure it will for long enough) unwinding that is the expensive work of years/decades not months. Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more…

> Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more like the PR arm of US big tech) is even trickier. It's not the so-called retaliation of the US government that leads to European inefficiencies like paying notaries thousands of euros to read out a contract to you (several discussions going around about this in Germany recently). This is ultimately just a boogeyman. European…

Upstream of all of those things is whether it's an actual priority for the ruling classes, or not. The politicians and bureaucrats are downstream of that, and physically incapable of wagging the dog.

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

p-e-w wrote: post #176
petcat wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NSA collects and archives all internet traffic it can access for future analysis. It's the purpose of the Utah Data center. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

There’s no way a single datacenter costing a couple of billion dollars can store “all Internet traffic the NSA can access”, unless the traffic the NSA can access is a microscopic fraction of the total Internet traffic. Think about it. The Internet runs on tens of thousands of massive datacenters. Thousands are being built as we speak. Obviously a single datacenter cannot hold an appreciable fraction of that. BTW, the…

> The Internet runs on tens of thousands of massive datacenters.

"The Internet" would require 1000 times less servers if it wasn't running off Python scripts in Docker containers in VMs in a virtual overlay network. (I'm exaggerating these numbers only slightly.)

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by jerkstate »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

yeah, I have been amazed at what I could do for free, and then amazed at how much more powerful it got for 5 bucks a months. Cloudflare is killing it in terms of value for small websites (and features and reliability).

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Post by lxgr »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #117
lukan wrote: post #112

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Yeah, about those I know, but what about cloudflare?

They hold your tls keys and can decrypt all your traffic. They're MITM as a service, by definition. They have to be able to in order to cache and forward appropriately.

Also to do DDoS mitigation. Being able to see the HTTP request, at least headers and path, greatly helps with distinguishing attackers from legitimate traffic.

It's a tragedy that there's no standard to allow partial decryption/nested encryption in HTTP, which would allow intermediate proxies like Cloudflare to e.g. only validate a first-level authentication token and rate-limit access to a given endpoint, but not decrypt the actual request body, backend authentication token, or response.

Also desperately missing: Authenticated static file caching (think: cdn.foo.com serves files authenticated/signed by foo.com). Subresource integrity only works for HTML use cases and is clearly not ergonomic enough to make a difference.

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Post by stef25 »

samlinnfer wrote: post #121
CommanderData wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reputational damage for CF would be intense. Businesses won't tolerate something like this so I find it hard to believe there is any cooperation between the two entities.

They already terminate TLS at their edge. It takes one secret court order for them to start sending data to the NSA.

Maybe that's why the keep hosting extremist content.

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Post by kakacik »

broken-kebab wrote: post #172
kakacik wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both claims can be correct. US became Europe's adversary, quite active and pushy. We don't know yet where the end of backstabbing and shitting on us lies, we can easily have a war ie over Greenland within 2 years. China? It wants to sell its cars here, and thats about it. Incomparable.

China isn't a big bully for European nations cause it's counterbalanced by USA, not of inherent niceness. Also in two years there will be a different president in White house, but in Beijing things aren't that fluid.

US is also nice to others only because it benefits it long term ie in building and maintaining its hegemony, fighting for petrodollars and so on. Now that it shat on those decades of hard-won fights and alignment thats irrelevant thing of the past.

Ask/look around in places that dared to stood apart or directly up to whatever US wanted, the story is everything but nice and bloodless. Ask those that fought for them, and were completely abandoned to be then murdered one by one (vietnam, afghanistan).

Rest of your post is just wishful thinking, US is in semi-lawless state now with new oligarchy ruling the country based on emotions and whims and hardly any laws, so prior experiences do not guarantee any form of future. I personally would literally, objectively, trust Xi more than trump if I had to choose (which I don't, nobody does), any day any night.

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