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Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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What? Go ask almost anyone in Asia outside Mainland China. They all consider China to be the aggressor because they are. E.g., Tibet or India.

Both claims can be correct. US became Europe's adversary, quite active and pushy. We don't know yet where the end of backstabbing and shitting on us lies, we can easily have a war ie over Greenland within 2 years. China? It wants to sell its cars here, and thats about it. Incomparable.

China isn't a big bully for European nations cause it's counterbalanced by USA, not of inherent niceness. Also in two years there will be a different president in White house, but in Beijing things aren't that fluid.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

If you care about security and specifically NSA, don't use US clouds (owned or hosted), period. There is not a single one they don't have full access to, why should there be one. Or clouds in general, its all wishful thinking and pinky promises.

What about the Chinese clouds? It’s hard to imagine Alibaba etc being cooperative with western intelligence

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Since it appears to have gotten hugged to death - https://web.archive.org/web/20260908084626/https://ciphercue... Not really unexpected, US domination of "tech" is near total, even if the sustained political will exists (and I'm not sure it will for long enough) unwinding that is the expensive work of years/decades not months. Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more…

> Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more like the PR arm of US big tech) is even trickier.

It's not the so-called retaliation of the US government that leads to European inefficiencies like paying notaries thousands of euros to read out a contract to you (several discussions going around about this in Germany recently).

This is ultimately just a boogeyman. European governments love to blame someone else for their inefficient and bureaucratic processes that stifle innovation and are slowly becoming the laughing stock of the tech world.

If they really want a thriving tech industry, EU should:

- Normalize laws and regulations relating to commerce and online activities throughout the EU. Get rid of the notary crap. While you are at it, get rid of the impressum (why the fuck should I need to post my home address on my website?).

- Ensure that these normalized regulations are available in the tens of languages across the EU

- Invest heavily in telecom and data center infrastructure and software on a European-wide basis. The current AI bubble will see a downturn but data centers and connectivity infrastructure can be reused for EU-based cloud services.

- Invite the UK back in once they are an actual economic powerhouse that can speak with one voice.

Of course none of this will ever get done because EU bureaucrats would rather be in a perpetual hand-wringing mode while blaming the Big Bad US Boogeyman for all their problems.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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> The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. I doubt the NSA is gobbling up all the CF traffic because maybe, maybe they will find something of interest. Can the NSA make CF "mirror" your website traffic to them if you are of interest to them, most likely yes. I am not that paranoid to think that my website of a few corporate pages is of interest to th…

The NSA collects and archives all internet traffic it can access for future analysis. It's the purpose of the Utah Data center. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

There’s no way a single datacenter costing a couple of billion dollars can store “all Internet traffic the NSA can access”, unless the traffic the NSA can access is a microscopic fraction of the total Internet traffic.

Think about it. The Internet runs on tens of thousands of massive datacenters. Thousands are being built as we speak. Obviously a single datacenter cannot hold an appreciable fraction of that.

BTW, the total budget of the NSA is less than the R&D budget of a FAANG company, so if you find yourself believing that they might have alien-level technology far beyond Google and AWS, you’re watching too much TV.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Which way is it: Allies or a threat? How much double-think can you fit within a comment? To me the question is crystal clear: No country should want to have foreign troops permanently stationed on their soil, no matter how good friends they are.

> Which way is it: Allies or a threat? How much double-think can you fit within a comment? America was a trusted, respected and liked allied nation. It was not a threat. Then Trump supported by people like you turned into a threat to Canada (another former ally), Greenland, democracy and freedom. So, America is not respected or liked, except by neo-nazi it supports. There is no double think involved here. > To me the…

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

I also believed that, but at least for India, this doesn't work in practice. Unless you atleast do the 25$ pro plan, cloudflare routes even india-to-india, hell, even mumbai-to-mumbai and aws_mumbai-to-cloudflare_mumbai traffic via Marsaille!! Not even Singapore. The unstated reason is that indian transit is expensive, though I fail to believe its cheaper to go from mumbai to marsaille and back to mumbai. I am guessi…

Transit in some countries, like India, genuinely is that expensive. Keep in mind it doesn’t cost Cloudflare any more to serve Indian traffic from Marsaille than to serve non-peered French traffic from that colo - they aren’t paying the cost of getting traffic between India and France.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Please speak for yourself. Not everyone in Europe thinks US is bigger problem than China. For many China is far bigger geopolitical threat since they openly support Russia in its current war.

As a European that lives 200km from the Russian border it seems the USA has been supporting Russia in its current war a lot more than China. Consider these points: - US withdrawing it's "Intel support" just as Russia started a major offensive last year. - US starting the war on Iran clearly to help their pal Putin on oil prices, now they try to use Ukraine as a scapegoat for "attacking Russian oil export infrastructu…

US motives are currently inscrutable, but the US is sending military hardware to Ukraine, whereas China is sending dual-use hardware to Russia. You can see an itemised list of US contributions at the following link. It's not nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukrain...

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