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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by larodi »

spockz wrote: post #172

Okay. This is insane. First the monitor that uses a windows feature to automatically install a small helper tool with root permissions and then starts showing adds in certain regions. Now a tv that is actually actively snooping around on top of the known fingerprinting. What else is next? In the previous topic I got ridiculed for not wanting to buy LG anymore because I could use an agent to modify to strip out the of…

perhaps choosing to stop watching TV in the 90s was a good choice. wonder if I can trust non of my Apple devices and ThinkBook laptops are listening. I'm most concerned about the Windows boxes, as they are easily hacked, somehow BSD-derivatives seemed more secure since day zero.

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Post by ChoGGi »

phkahler wrote: post #832
dghlsakjg wrote: post #758

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There are limits. You can’t waive certain rights, and you can’t overwrite certain laws. The issue is that we haven’t made this shit against the law yet.

Ask LG who has agreed to their wiretapping. They can't tell you if some guest in front of a TV has agreed or not. How can that be concent?

> concent

I've been wondering; do you like to sing together with the LG chime sound?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

spockz wrote: post #915
toomuchtodo wrote: post #850

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Have Claude or Astra reverse engineer the firmware?

I started asking Astra and Terra about this, including the idea of spoofing the data that was mentioned in this thread and got slammed with a warning for Cyber Abuse on my account, the thread is here https://chatgpt.com/s/cx_6a9fc635825481918c84187765645d5c . I will be very careful going forward with what I use open ai for and what I phrase how.

Very strange, check out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49577129 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49599100 when you have time on this topic.

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Post by idiotsecant »

digi59404 wrote: post #861
idiotsecant wrote: post #818

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What model of fridge?! How did you know the random device on your network was your non-smart fridge? This is a wild story. I want to believe but if it's true I think there's no sane solution other than exploratory surgery on every appliance you buy.

I don’t recall the model. I had bought a new Samsung Monitor, my wife left the fridge door open and it had started alerting on my monitor while I was in game. So I went digging in UniFi, found it, and blocked it. Same with my HP Printer that sent almost a gig of data to Google Print Services daily.

Wait, so both you fridge and your monitor self-connected to wifi? Or you installed monitor software that served as some kind of iot gateway? Every time you tell this story it gets weirder.

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Post by expedition32 »

Anything with a microphone in it can be used to spy on you.

I always found that talking to computers is incredible stupid and only looks good in Star Trek. But I am apparently the minority in this because every car, phone and television has a voice activated interface.

There was scandal with Siri that lasted for about 5 minutes.

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Post by fuzzfactor »

rustcleaner wrote: post #670
ninjagoo wrote: post #140

Telescreens [1] are here! War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. [1] Would you like to know more? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen

Not only the telescreens, but my impression of the world in 1984 is that the surveillance depended on an army of watchers at the opposite end. Today we have models of all kinds: classification models, speech to text models, large language models, etc. Surveillance with our devices is automated , no human army of watchers needed!

1973 was not supposed to be quite as grim as 1984, but "what goes in must come out".

Zappa, "I'm the Slime" -

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pm3uDZxt8w

"You will do as you are told until the rights to you are sold . . ."

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Post by jawilson2 »

joquarky wrote: post #546
rpdillon wrote: post #399

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I have a similar reaction from folks when I don't trust services/devices. Most telling moment was when I refused to upload my license to LinkedIn because I lost 2FA (token on phone, phone destroyed). Microsoft assured me they would "delete the license as soon as it was verified". I've written too many software systems for too many companies, and I do not believe them . Of course, they'd outsourced to AU10TIX, which d…

When are the victims going to start getting significantly compensated for these breaches? They will keep happening as long as the consequences are just the cost of doing business.

I want this data to be treated like HIPAA data. Any company that collects personal data must have a compliance officer, and any breaches should lead to people going to jail. If you collect personal data, you are personally responsible for it.

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

Terr_ wrote: post #879
Terr_ wrote: post #695

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> The law has been unable to keep up with tech changes. Nah, for the most part the law has been unable to keep up with (or choose to oppose) corporate power , and new ways it's being used. Usually there's no magic quantum doohickey which demands fundamentally new legal theory.

For example, take this TV spyware thing, and rewind to the year 1986, and imagine RCA started selling televisions with microphones in them that recorded what was in your room and radioed it back to headquarters for some reason. Obviously the costs wouldn't have worked at the time, but is there anything that was missing in our ability to describe the risks and wrongness? The concepts of privacy and consent, contracts…

> imagine RCA started selling televisions with microphones in them that recorded what was in your room and radioed it back to headquarters for some reason

The problem is that there are real use cases (whether you want them yourself or not) for having an always-on microphone that phones home. The discussion for regulators and lawmakers then becomes about how the data is handled, and that is where they get left in the dust.

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Post by hvb2 »

Gigachad wrote: post #733
hvb2 wrote: post #491

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> we have an (ever growing) list of forbidden clauses that even when written and signed by consumer are null and void I'm pretty sure that's true almost everywhere. Law beats contract. The real question is how strong the laws are. In the US not so much because of small government and stuff, especially in red states.

The US is not small government at all. It’s one of the largest governments in the world. It just exists almost exclusively to serve billionaires. It’s “small government” when it comes to protecting your individual rights, and full flock powered ai surveillance state when someone has an abortion.

I obviously didn't invent that term. And in large part you're right that it means deregulation so companies can do whatever
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