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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by toomuchtodo »

spockz wrote: post #913
toomuchtodo wrote: post #850

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Have Claude or Astra reverse engineer the firmware?

I started asking Astra and Terra about this, including the idea of spoofing the data that was mentioned in this thread and got slammed with a warning for Cyber Abuse on my account, the thread is here https://chatgpt.com/s/cx_6a9fc635825481918c84187765645d5c . I will be very careful going forward with what I use open ai for and what I phrase how.

Very strange, check out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49577129 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49599100 when you have time on this topic.

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Post by idiotsecant »

digi59404 wrote: post #861
idiotsecant wrote: post #818

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What model of fridge?! How did you know the random device on your network was your non-smart fridge? This is a wild story. I want to believe but if it's true I think there's no sane solution other than exploratory surgery on every appliance you buy.

I don’t recall the model. I had bought a new Samsung Monitor, my wife left the fridge door open and it had started alerting on my monitor while I was in game. So I went digging in UniFi, found it, and blocked it. Same with my HP Printer that sent almost a gig of data to Google Print Services daily.

Wait, so both you fridge and your monitor self-connected to wifi? Or you installed monitor software that served as some kind of iot gateway? Every time you tell this story it gets weirder.

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Post by expedition32 »

Anything with a microphone in it can be used to spy on you.

I always found that talking to computers is incredible stupid and only looks good in Star Trek. But I am apparently the minority in this because every car, phone and television has a voice activated interface.

There was scandal with Siri that lasted for about 5 minutes.

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Post by fuzzfactor »

rustcleaner wrote: post #670
ninjagoo wrote: post #140

Telescreens [1] are here! War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. [1] Would you like to know more? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen

Not only the telescreens, but my impression of the world in 1984 is that the surveillance depended on an army of watchers at the opposite end. Today we have models of all kinds: classification models, speech to text models, large language models, etc. Surveillance with our devices is automated , no human army of watchers needed!

1973 was not supposed to be quite as grim as 1984, but "what goes in must come out".

Zappa, "I'm the Slime" -

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pm3uDZxt8w

"You will do as you are told until the rights to you are sold . . ."

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Post by jawilson2 »

joquarky wrote: post #546
rpdillon wrote: post #399

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I have a similar reaction from folks when I don't trust services/devices. Most telling moment was when I refused to upload my license to LinkedIn because I lost 2FA (token on phone, phone destroyed). Microsoft assured me they would "delete the license as soon as it was verified". I've written too many software systems for too many companies, and I do not believe them . Of course, they'd outsourced to AU10TIX, which d…

When are the victims going to start getting significantly compensated for these breaches? They will keep happening as long as the consequences are just the cost of doing business.

I want this data to be treated like HIPAA data. Any company that collects personal data must have a compliance officer, and any breaches should lead to people going to jail. If you collect personal data, you are personally responsible for it.

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

Terr_ wrote: post #878
Terr_ wrote: post #695

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> The law has been unable to keep up with tech changes. Nah, for the most part the law has been unable to keep up with (or choose to oppose) corporate power , and new ways it's being used. Usually there's no magic quantum doohickey which demands fundamentally new legal theory.

For example, take this TV spyware thing, and rewind to the year 1986, and imagine RCA started selling televisions with microphones in them that recorded what was in your room and radioed it back to headquarters for some reason. Obviously the costs wouldn't have worked at the time, but is there anything that was missing in our ability to describe the risks and wrongness? The concepts of privacy and consent, contracts…

> imagine RCA started selling televisions with microphones in them that recorded what was in your room and radioed it back to headquarters for some reason

The problem is that there are real use cases (whether you want them yourself or not) for having an always-on microphone that phones home. The discussion for regulators and lawmakers then becomes about how the data is handled, and that is where they get left in the dust.

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Post by hvb2 »

Gigachad wrote: post #733
hvb2 wrote: post #491

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> we have an (ever growing) list of forbidden clauses that even when written and signed by consumer are null and void I'm pretty sure that's true almost everywhere. Law beats contract. The real question is how strong the laws are. In the US not so much because of small government and stuff, especially in red states.

The US is not small government at all. It’s one of the largest governments in the world. It just exists almost exclusively to serve billionaires. It’s “small government” when it comes to protecting your individual rights, and full flock powered ai surveillance state when someone has an abortion.

I obviously didn't invent that term. And in large part you're right that it means deregulation so companies can do whatever

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Post by godelski »

gf000 wrote: post #874
godelski wrote: post #873

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Norman Doors. Good design communicates even without language. It is reasonable to see a toggle switch and think it... you know... toggles. The same reason you see a handle on a door a pill before you read the sign that says push. The sign is literally there because the physical design is telling you something different. It is literally mixed signals. Apple could have done many different things to make the design clea…

Could you sketch a spring-loaded button? I just have a hard time imagining how could this time dimension be added properly to a button - not that I would disagree with you in general. Also, is this really different from a button that reflects state? E.g. you have a battery saver button that automatically turns on at <20%, is that fundamentally different than a button that resets to a given value at 0:00? I genuinely…

For the sideways toggle switches, the usual single line.

For the buttons when you pull down the menu, literally any physical change would help, not just color and a message. Highlight the circular edge and make it work like a count down. Make it a polygon instead of a circle. Rotate the symbol in that count down. There's a million ways to do it differently

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

godelski wrote: post #873
bayindirh wrote: post #692

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> Apple's Wifi and Bluetooth one-touch toggle off for now buttons? This comparison rubs me off the wrong way every time I see, because. 1. The notifications clearly tell the behavior (doing $THING until tomorrow). 2. There's a way to turn them "really off". What LG does is completely different. IIRC from the teaser of this video, the microphone is never "completely" off or apps can re-enable them somehow.

Norman Doors. Good design communicates even without language. It is reasonable to see a toggle switch and think it... you know... toggles. The same reason you see a handle on a door a pill before you read the sign that says push. The sign is literally there because the physical design is telling you something different. It is literally mixed signals. Apple could have done many different things to make the design clea…

https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Spacecraft#Haggunenon_Ad...

  Marvin was able to touch the surface of the ship and open up an entry hatchway, and the interior of the ship was completely black. There were black controls labelled in black, on a black background, with a little light that lit up black, which made it difficult to control the ship. The ceiling and walls of the swaying cabin were also black, as well as the seats, control panel, the instruments and the little screws that held them in place. The thin tufted nylon floor covering was black, and when a corner of the foam underlay was lifted up that was also discovered to be was black.
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