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Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

jesuslop wrote: post #235

Maybe we should define and spec what is an Open Platform, say RSS, Mastodon, grandma cookies recipe in a txt in an Apache, etc. Then paint a beautiful "open platform" logo and start making some collective noises, some pinky flower good-guy psiops. If reply is it alrady exists, it ain't rather working. Currently civil life is being shaped for the algos and the money, that is ok in business terms, we civilians are not…

People don't gravitate to open or closed platforms, or platforms at all. They gravitate to something else. I think it's the ability to reply to a global conversation and feel like you're doing something, like I am right now.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

hyperionultra wrote: post #302
gblargg wrote: post #299

Door 1: try to take down sites offering a lite version that people prefer over x.com. Door 2: improve x.com to be better than third-party sites. Which is, Elon?

Door 3: turn off API.

Nitter doesn't use the Application Programming Interface. It uses Adversarial Platform Interoperability, instead.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

int32_64 wrote: post #29

It seems like it would be a trivial statistical exercise to find all the nitter instance X accounts and just ban them, it's actually embarrassing they got lawyers involved instead of just doing that if they didn't want nitter to function.

x accounts with blank reputation cost $0.01 each on the grey web

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

MikhailTal wrote: post #176
Decabytes wrote: post #156

I feel like setting up the social media is a solved problem. And while getting users is hard, if you hook up to the fediverse, you can piggy back off other Platforms. I think the harder problem is making it profitable

> if you hook up to the fediverse No this is the hard problem. HN people live in a bubble. Anything else than signup with oauth and then having access to everyone and its too hard and 99% of people will click away.

You using the word oauth means you're in the same bubble. People want signup with Google or Apple or even better, username/password signup or zero signup

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

sylware wrote: post #366

Keep in mind that those front-ends are, in general, much more friendly towards noscript/basic HTML browsers than the official front-ends broke a few year ago. (well, nitter was at the time) Don't think the 'whatwg cartel' will let some web not require their web engines. Expect shadowpaid hackers to ruin their infrastructure. Don't be a fool, expect the worst (more so when the whatwg cartel is involved). And if you, y…

I'm running one and bots are trying to abuse it to poll or scrape twitter

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Post by nextaccountic »

GJim wrote: post #355
kitd wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google and Facebook fucked up the internet. I'd say advertising has fucked up the Internet. Everything they (and plenty of others) have done has been to collect and sell personal data to advertising brokers.

> I'd say advertising has fucked up the Internet Nothing wrong with honest advertising per se..... back in the day we bought computer magazines mainly for the adverts. Rather, the problem is the SV AdTech industry which seeks to track me, invade my privacy at every opportunity and is busy sniffing my knickers trying to work out if I'm pregnant so they can sell me more shite. One observes the FUD those employed by AdT…

The problem was that the Internet allowed for the "innovation" of tracking users to send specific ads to them. And it wasn't made promptly illegal. That's all it took

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by nextaccountic »

alex1138 wrote: post #285
mitxela wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Institutional misincentives at Google. People are promoted for launching a product, and they're promoted away from the product they launched, and nobody wants to maintain it since you don't get promoted for maintaining a product someone else launched.

I had to 'vouch' this comment. It was [dead]. Why? Who sits here lurking this site flagging every single thing they disagree with?

Probably anti-ban evasion signal (user was previously banned, created a new account, gets shadowbanned on spot)

I agree that shadowbans are an underhanded measure that doesn't belong in a site like HN. I always vouch [dead] comments made in good faith

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by runtime_terror »

ThePinion wrote: post #114
kentonv wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CEO's antics, no matter how disturbing, simply aren't most people's top concern when making a product choice. This may seem crazy to the hyper-political crowd but most people really do not see themselves as being part of this war where every single decision they make in their lives has to prioritize their side. When choosing a social network, probably the top priority for most people is where the people they want…

When it comes to CEO actions I'd unfortunately still choose Elon over Jackoff if the question is which site to use because the latter has shown when he ran Twitter that he will happily manipulate and censor discourse to appease the current mob mentality/political climate. Two evils, but one has a better (still not amazing) track history of supporting free speech and ideas, so that's the what I would use. I don't have…

It's laughable to claim Elon supports free speech: he's the guy who will ban anyone for calling him out or challenging him (Google it if you don't believe me)

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by sylware »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #417
sylware wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real BOTs are more and more using whatwg cartel web engines, namely this has an end. If not all, namely the end was already reached. The ones not using them are more likely to be shadowpaid hackers by the whatwg cartel to ruin anything noscript/basic HTML (or they could be beyond idiotic hackers, unlikely). Not to mention, many "maths challenges" out there are nothing more than a 'wait loop' in the end. Namely, you c…

Human scale wait timers aren't a big issue for bots. More parallel requests. Or more websites being scraped in parallel, if the website doesn't allow multiple timers going at once. Whereas number crunching actually ties up some CPU time.

Ofc a timer will be set per connection and has to be only one part of a whole global and probably fine-grained connection policy !

Their only purpose compared to such timer, is, in their current state to create a hard dependency on exactly the web engines of the whatwg cartel and do exclude low end hardware (this does create a barrier of entry for new hardware or small hardware).

At least, they could have had the decency to design some "HTTP" specs to de-couple those maths challenges from those abominations which are the web engines of the whatwg cartel (maybe that's the case).

Yep, I could bet that a lot of BOTs are now based on those abominations (and probably using neural nets). You also have click farms with real humans.

There is so much wrong there... well Big Tech...

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