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Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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post #104

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Well it is known SSL termination servers are a popular target: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/new-docs-show-ns...

The reputational damage for CF would be intense. Businesses won't tolerate something like this so I find it hard to believe there is any cooperation between the two entities.

They already terminate TLS at their edge. It takes one secret court order for them to start sending data to the NSA.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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You are not living in Europe, right? Because while I agree that China is a problem, the USA is a much, much bigger problem for Europeans than China is right now. It's mostly the USA that wants to depict China as the main problem when in reality the USA behaves in a hugely aggressive colonial manner. Trump just makes this more obvious, but that has been the case way before Trump already.

What? Go ask almost anyone in Asia outside Mainland China. They all consider China to be the aggressor because they are. E.g., Tibet or India.

For European governments that have their email and such running with Microsoft, it's quite the signal when individuals lose their email because the US doesn't like them. See international criminal court.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

> The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers.

I think it’s fair to assume that for most companies, cost is essentially zero on the company’s side.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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post #38

But isn't a CDN a commodity? I.e., you can switch to a different one with almost no effort.

Depends how deeply integrated it is. Cloudflare offers a web application firewall that can quickly become complex, alongside features like custom routing rules, input parsing, custom headers, etc. As soon as you start integrating any of those into your environment, migration becomes more difficult fast.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Data scraping. If anything else, the AI machine wants near constant streams of new data, even if it already checked with you 30ms ago. A CDN helps immensely. Also keeps you from getting DDoS'd if you did something like run it off your home connection.

Your webserver most likely have "rate limiting" built in already, which you can configure to act based on lots of variables typically. Set a limit of 1 req/s or whatever, and you've stopped 99% of all DDoS you'll encounter on the public web. If your visitors get cranky, up it to 10 req/s and you still are preventing most of the "abusive traffic", granted your backend/website isn't completely upside down when it comes…

This is not how things work and no company providing online services for money would rate limit like that. This would do nothing for real world DDoS. You're in "not even wrong" territory.

And for large services implementing a CDN properly takes days/weeks of preparation. Once you're down it's way too late.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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post #96

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Didn’t you read the memo? Only European govts or China can act in the interests of their people and companies but if the US does that it is immoral.

One difference is, EU or China don't act as global hegemon and claim to promote freedom, democracy and free markets for everyone.

> free markets for everyone

should read as "everyone the US likes", not everyone everyone.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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You are not living in Europe, right? Because while I agree that China is a problem, the USA is a much, much bigger problem for Europeans than China is right now. It's mostly the USA that wants to depict China as the main problem when in reality the USA behaves in a hugely aggressive colonial manner. Trump just makes this more obvious, but that has been the case way before Trump already.

What? Go ask almost anyone in Asia outside Mainland China. They all consider China to be the aggressor because they are. E.g., Tibet or India.

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not living in Europe, right? Because while I agree that China is a problem, the USA is a much, much bigger problem for Europeans than China is right now. It's mostly the USA that wants to depict China as the main problem when in reality the USA behaves in a hugely aggressive colonial manner. Trump just makes this more obvious, but that has been the case way before Trump already.

What? Go ask almost anyone in Asia outside Mainland China. They all consider China to be the aggressor because they are. E.g., Tibet or India.

> Go ask almost anyone in Asia

I think it’s fair to say the U.S. and Russia are Europe’s principal geopolitical adversaries, today, while for anyone in Asia or Oceania it’s China. (Africa and South America are being weirdly carved up—it’s not particularly clear who is trying to colonize versus trade with them.)

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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post #5

I'd also be interested in share of companies using a CDN in the first place. UK has 17k sites, while France and Germany, so countries with about equal and higher population than the UK, have only 4k and 6k sites behind a CDN. I can hardly imagine there being so many more big companies in the UK, so it's either cargo-culting webscale deployment in the UK, or usage of more conservative stacks in France and Germany?

It’s a limitation of their dataset. If you take all domains, it definitely creates a different picture.

For both France and the UK, less than 15% of sites are behind a CDN. For both, around 95% use Cloudflare.

So in terms of percentages, there’s not much of a difference.

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