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Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by lukan »

pocksuppet wrote: post #65
jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

"We've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade"

Literally? What is the reference here?

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by embedding-shape »

cbg0 wrote: post #87
embedding-shape wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once you get 3gbit traffic on your 1gbit link, you can't do anything yourself - the only thing that can save you is a bigger pipe. Realistically, out of the DDoS we typically see, how many are in fact "they had bigger pipes than you"? I've come across that once in my ~3 decade career maintaining infrastructure for websites, some quite popular. Most of the time the attacks are relatively low-effort and easy to stave…

I was curious and it seems like smaller businesses do get DDoSed, ~5% of them in Canada: https://www.bdc.ca/en/articles-tools/blog/cyberattacks-small...

That graph is useful for the people who think DDoS is the biggest issue or even a big issue typically: https://www.bdc.ca/globalassets/digizuite/55250-canadian-sma... "Percentage of Canadian small businesses that have experienced a cybersecurity incident"

The data from the graph: Phishing 61%; Malware 27%; Network intrusion 12%; Ransomware 12%; Data breach 7%; DDoS 5%; No cybersecurity incident 27%.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by viraptor »

embedding-shape wrote: post #54
viraptor wrote: post #50

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> you need to configure your webserver to rate limit stuff that suck bandwidth/CPU from you This works for cases where the traffic takes too long to process. Once you get 3gbit traffic on your 1gbit link, you can't do anything yourself - the only thing that can save you is a bigger pipe.

> Once you get 3gbit traffic on your 1gbit link, you can't do anything yourself - the only thing that can save you is a bigger pipe. Realistically, out of the DDoS we typically see, how many are in fact "they had bigger pipes than you"? I've come across that once in my ~3 decade career maintaining infrastructure for websites, some quite popular. Most of the time the attacks are relatively low-effort and easy to stave…

It's quite standard these days. If you're already with Akamai then you're not an attractive target though, so maybe that's why you haven't seen many of those? The DDoS services are really cheap today and it's pretty normal to get attacked regularly if you're large enough. For $100 you can easily get 5gbps for a few days, or larger volume / shorter time for > and I don't think people should default to trying to prevent them.

It's the usual instance calculation - how much will you lose if you're down for a day vs how much would you pay per month. Some people will not care, some will happily pay tens of thousands.

Then there's business specific stuff. It would extremely hurt a florist to go offline for a week before Valentine's Day. (If they take online reservations)

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

lukan wrote: post #91
pocksuppet wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

"We've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade" Literally? What is the reference here?

https://allaboutcookies.org/lg-smart-tvs-snooping

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by kosinus »

jarco wrote: post #48
Havoc wrote: post #2

Bunny.net is a good alternative - they don’t have CF depth of offerings but are getting there

I tried them with our small company. They seem ... young. Support on discord is not something I can sell to our owners. We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site, and never got a decent reply on that. Their attitude does not inspire confidence and for that reason we scrapped them as an option. Never actually found a good European option besides them, which is s…

Like, the bad bots you see when they get an https cert issued and it becomes visible in the public logs, or something else?

Agree discord sucks.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by lukan »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #84
jonnybgood wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more like the PR arm of US big tech) is even trickier. You mean the US government working towards the interests of its people and economy? Which government wouldn't? It's kinda what we want it to do.

Didn’t you read the memo? Only European govts or China can act in the interests of their people and companies but if the US does that it is immoral.

One difference is, EU or China don't act as global hegemon and claim to promote freedom, democracy and free markets for everyone.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by CommanderData »

pocksuppet wrote: post #65
jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

Is there any evidence of this

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by kakacik »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #89
shevy-java wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not living in Europe, right? Because while I agree that China is a problem, the USA is a much, much bigger problem for Europeans than China is right now. It's mostly the USA that wants to depict China as the main problem when in reality the USA behaves in a hugely aggressive colonial manner. Trump just makes this more obvious, but that has been the case way before Trump already.

What? Go ask almost anyone in Asia outside Mainland China. They all consider China to be the aggressor because they are. E.g., Tibet or India.

Both claims can be correct. US became Europe's adversary, quite active and pushy. We don't know yet where the end of backstabbing and shitting on us lies, we can easily have a war ie over Greenland within 2 years.

China? It wants to sell its cars here, and thats about it. Incomparable.

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