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What kind of idiocy is this? This is the FBI's job -- to monitor both foreign and domestic groups of national scope that might present some kind of threat to civil order. They're not like the fire department, where they sit around waiting for something to happen. They're supposed to get out there and get proactively involved in all kinds of things from white supremacists to greens. As a libertarian I enjoy a good ran…
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You are both missing the plethora of articles about how every breaks at least 3 federal laws a day (unknowingly). We are rapidly approaching a state where everyone is a criminal, and all it takes it putting your life under a microscope to cart you off to jail. If the FBI are creating a file on everyone that goes to a protest, then fewer people will be willing to go to protests to avoid having their life under the mic…
"Creating a file" This is not a problem. "You are both missing the plethora of articles about how every breaks at least 3 federal laws a day (unknowingly)." Citation needed. However, it's a general problem anyway. I agree that laws should be simpler, fewer in number, and more evenly enforced. But I don't see what this has to do with the article in question, which doesn't offer much.
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> "You are both missing the plethora of articles about
> how every breaks at least 3 federal laws a day
> (unknowingly)."
>
> Citation needed.
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_white...
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/...
Well, why is PREVENTING some citizens from changing the ALWAYS "pro-business" status quo their job?
Socialism is coming anyway (not the socialism-for-the-rich-kind), esp if you consider socialized medicine to be a trojan horse of socialism.
The reason America fought socialism is not that it was bad, it was that it was foreign (Soviet domination) and undemocratic in that form. Via democracy you can have it any time you vote for it, and even press mogul Republican billionaires can't stop you.
(See my record.) I never comment these days anyway, since I worked out that this is not a board of intellectuals (and I allow that there are conservative intellectuals), it is a board of (inherently capitalist and "selfish") Silicon Valley VCs and startup people. And here come the some people to argue with me, and some Randroids among them.
Some are, I see, already mocking the ideological presumptousness of this, from a law enforcement agency. Gee Mulder, there's also this report of blah blah blah. Well, why is PREVENTING some citizens from changing the ALWAYS "pro-business" status quo their job? Socialism is coming anyway (not the socialism-for-the-rich-kind), esp if you consider socialized medicine to be a trojan horse of socialism. The reason America…
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The group that poses the biggest threat to civil order in the US are the elites who are looting the country as society collapses around them. And how exactly do you call yourself a "libertarian" and then support a national intelligence agency monitoring the non-violent political activities of private citizens? If the FBI was monitoring libertarian party members and events that would be kosher with you too, or is it j…
I am not a libertarian. I am a liberal. I broadly support the goals of the Occupy movement. I also support the principles of this action by the FBI (though almost certainly not all of the details). Why? Among other things, it is the job of the FBI to monitor situations that could turn into problems. The Occupy movement, as legitimate as it is, has the potential to attract easily radicalized people. These people could…
It's uncommon even in totalitarian countries that the government won't have some justification for its behavior. If people in Quebec would have respected bill 78, maybe there wouldn't have been a change in government there.
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I am not a libertarian. I am a liberal. I broadly support the goals of the Occupy movement. I also support the principles of this action by the FBI (though almost certainly not all of the details). Why? Among other things, it is the job of the FBI to monitor situations that could turn into problems. The Occupy movement, as legitimate as it is, has the potential to attract easily radicalized people. These people could…
Who decides what's illegitimate? Is it anything the police says like sitting down at the wrong place, wearing a mask not to be identified or just being part of something considered illegitimate? It's uncommon even in totalitarian countries that the government won't have some justification for its behavior. If people in Quebec would have respected bill 78, maybe there wouldn't have been a change in government there.
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The group that poses the biggest threat to civil order in the US are the elites who are looting the country as society collapses around them. And how exactly do you call yourself a "libertarian" and then support a national intelligence agency monitoring the non-violent political activities of private citizens? If the FBI was monitoring libertarian party members and events that would be kosher with you too, or is it j…
"support a national intelligence agency monitoring the non-violent" What's wrong with "monitoring"? It sounds bad, but from the article, it seems like they are just keeping their eyes on a potential problem. Given that OWS was a public protest movement, monitoring it is hardly an unreasonable search. So, does this article offer new evidence that some unreasonable searches, seizures, or harassment took place? If not,…
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You are both missing the plethora of articles about how every breaks at least 3 federal laws a day (unknowingly). We are rapidly approaching a state where everyone is a criminal, and all it takes it putting your life under a microscope to cart you off to jail. If the FBI are creating a file on everyone that goes to a protest, then fewer people will be willing to go to protests to avoid having their life under the mic…
"Creating a file" This is not a problem. "You are both missing the plethora of articles about how every breaks at least 3 federal laws a day (unknowingly)." Citation needed. However, it's a general problem anyway. I agree that laws should be simpler, fewer in number, and more evenly enforced. But I don't see what this has to do with the article in question, which doesn't offer much.
Here's a few, ranging from the humorous to the heinous.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19450_6-laws-youve-broken-wit...
http://mises.org/daily/5759/Decriminalize-the-Average-Man
http://www.economist.com/node/16636027
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/...
The only question is, which laws "count?" And who decides?
What kind of idiocy is this? This is the FBI's job -- to monitor both foreign and domestic groups of national scope that might present some kind of threat to civil order. They're not like the fire department, where they sit around waiting for something to happen. They're supposed to get out there and get proactively involved in all kinds of things from white supremacists to greens. As a libertarian I enjoy a good ran…
The group that poses the biggest threat to civil order in the US are the elites who are looting the country as society collapses around them. And how exactly do you call yourself a "libertarian" and then support a national intelligence agency monitoring the non-violent political activities of private citizens? If the FBI was monitoring libertarian party members and events that would be kosher with you too, or is it j…
I have zero sympathy for such tactics, whether practiced by Occupy or the Tea Party; the people who manipulate populist sentiment for political advantage are irresponsible jerks. And for those who suggest that this represents some sort of new totalitarianism, I invite you to go read the Wikipedia article on the Whiskey Rebellion of 1791.