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Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

croon wrote: post #352
koyote wrote: post #310

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Surely it shouldn't be to difficult to come up with a sort of plugin-type approach like I've seen in various 'comments' sections on existing websites: Simply embed the 'update' feed on a page in the existing website and have some kind of admin panel where employees can easily CRUD some updates. I guess because even this would not be 'free', twitter ends up winning.

> some kind of admin panel where employees can easily CRUD some updates In my experience this is usually the crux. That software always rots, and needs whatever (minimal) on-ramping for employees, as well as access management. If I could wave a wand at those solutions I'd stop fighting the user and let them post to Twitter or wherever, and just have a public facing page pull those posts as updates for consumers outsi…

And when it rots, some enterprising employee says: hey, why don't I just make a foobar account and post there? That would work so much better.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

rob74 wrote: post #367
misstuned wrote: post #335

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I'm in the UK and tired of basic public services like the railway company posting service updates to X first. I keep a bookmark to the local train company (Northern in my case) on XCancel but while it was down, I was a bit under-informed. The stuff is on their own website, but it seems to appear there after it appears on X, the layout is crap, and there's no way to contact the company other than via X. A lot of priva…

More or less the same over here in Germany, except with WhatsApp, which is only slightly better than X, but at least you are likely to already have it installed because of all your contacts that refuse to use a more secure messaging app...

At least WhatsApp isn't enshittified yet.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

misstuned wrote: post #335
quadrifoliate wrote: post #279

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> It almost seems like we need laws that information about public services have to be available on a public website Won't happen in the US/UK because the governments are in Elon's pockets. Won't happen in the EU because they are incapable of getting anything done. So unless you're in a jurisdiction other than the above three I wouldn't hold your breath about any laws being passed about this.

I'm in the UK and tired of basic public services like the railway company posting service updates to X first. I keep a bookmark to the local train company (Northern in my case) on XCancel but while it was down, I was a bit under-informed. The stuff is on their own website, but it seems to appear there after it appears on X, the layout is crap, and there's no way to contact the company other than via X. A lot of priva…

What's their account? I think it would be useful to have a fault-isolated Nitter set up just for such important accounts.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

basisword wrote: post #397
quadrifoliate wrote: post #279

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> It almost seems like we need laws that information about public services have to be available on a public website Won't happen in the US/UK because the governments are in Elon's pockets. Won't happen in the EU because they are incapable of getting anything done. So unless you're in a jurisdiction other than the above three I wouldn't hold your breath about any laws being passed about this.

I don't think it's even about being in anyones pocket. They want the publicity. And unless they are all forced to stop using it, everyone has to use it.

Partially true. We can make better front ends just for this information. Imagine traindelays.com or whatever. If it's better than Twitter then people will go there, and then we can get a direct feed from the train company, and then they can abandon Twitter.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

numpad0 wrote: post #291
marcosdumay wrote: post #268

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As long as the service provider runs an instance in their infrastructure and allows everybody to read. That said, RSS seems way simpler.

RSS and IRC need new apps and new means to self host. To do that, there probably has to be new DNS.

We need to stop focusing on the specific protocol when it's not relevant and focus more on the patterns. Wanting RSS, specifically, made sense back when everyone had an RSS reader, the same way it makes sense to have an HTML website today because everyone has a web browser. But since very few people have RSS readers now, there's infinite flexibility in the format you use to provide your feed. The most useful is probably a phone app that vibrates your phone with a notification when your train is delayed. RSS can be provided as an option.

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Post by mitxela »

parineum wrote: post #287
marcosdumay wrote: post #268

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As long as the service provider runs an instance in their infrastructure and allows everybody to read. That said, RSS seems way simpler.

I don't disagree and I'm not a mastodon user but, as far as I know, if you local gov hosted an instance and your state gov did too, you could, essentially, join both and see them together? RSS aggregation seems like the solution to me but I think we've got to admit defeat on that one because it's been around forever and people don't use it.

You can follow them both from your own mastodon account on a third server.

It's a technically bad solution though, because mastodon is push. The government server has to maintain a list of everyone who's subscribed and make an HTTP request to all of those random domains, and have some timeout and removal policy because sites die all the time. Pull-based, like RSS, is way cleaner.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

rlw_sp wrote: post #407
charcircuit wrote: post #325

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X is a public site. Anyone is free to make an account.

You have to give your phone number and are then tracked for what you view.

A more practical consideration for most people, though, is that the app is full of shit. I mean really full of shit. You open the app and it just spews a torrent of shit at your eyeballs until you close it, mixed with the occasional nugget of gold.

Governments should also be worried about sovereignty.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

graemep wrote: post #18
usern20260720 wrote: post #10

It is sad that Twitter is basically a private closed gate monopoly that people beg to use instead of developing alternatives like RSS

Social media is addictive. RSS is not. Social media is profitable so worth marketing. RSS is not.

It's the ability to reply, I think. Like this one. Makes you feel like you're doing something even though you're just shouting into a black hole where some other people are also shouting and you might even hear each other sometimes.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by mitxela »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #314
dom96 wrote: post #217

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Honestly seems like a good move. It also isn't likely to be very difficult with the help of LLMs.

Curious as an outsider: what sorts of problems are there in the Nim world, and why would things improve by switching to Go?

More stable, commonly supported platform I presume. You don't want to be on a snowflake platform for a long running project, it only causes endless problems.
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