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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by hackyhacky »

somenameforme wrote: post #340
hackyhacky wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think he genuinely believes that the 2020 election was likely stolen There are more-or-less two possibilities: either he believes that the election was stolen despite the total absence of evidence to that effect, in which case he is a fool; or he cynically pretends to believe that for the purpose of personal gain, in which case he is a liar and a con-man. Based on what we've all seen of his psychology, though, I…

It's unclear to me whether you are incapable of following a thread, or are having trouble keeping your sock puppets in order. I'm not talking to you, or at least this account here - and you responded multiple times to another post under the same account, all while referring to yourself as we. In any case, I'm not going to respond to poorly constructed straw men. If you want to speak like an adult I'll happily continu…

> It's unclear to me whether you are incapable of following a thread, or are having trouble keeping your sock puppets in order.

I don't use sock puppets. Believe it or not, the structure of HN comments allows conversations between > 2 people. If you prefer a private conversation, use email. You've already responded to my comment [1]; I can respond to whatever comment I want. If you don't like what I say, you can write back appropriately or ignore it. Accusing me of not following the rules, however, is a very weird response.

> In any case, I'm not going to respond to poorly constructed straw men.

Please be specific: what straw man?

> if you want to keep ranting like a partisan -

Oh, the irony.

> then perhaps it's genuinely impossible for you to discuss things outside of echo chambers.

Let me get this straight: we have differing views, we're in an environment where we can freely discuss them, and yet you call it an "echo chamber" in the same breath that you refuse to continue a conversation. No one here is being censored, the only obstacle to communication is your attitude. Maybe you would feel more comfortable in /r/conservative (i.e. an actual echo chamber that aggressively censors opposing views)?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49560830

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by RickJWagner »

hackyhacky wrote: post #316
RickJWagner wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wrote: “They ( problems in elections ) do exist. What's interesting is that those are problems created by the same people who are currently trying to disenfranchise people…” Under discussion was the New Jersey ineligible voter problem, to which you responded with problems in perceived over zealous voter restrictions. Clearly, not all the problems are caused by Republicans. There’s room for examination and correct…

You are (intentionally) disregarding the question of intent. The NJ issue was a software bug. It was found and fixed. No amount of big government oversight will prevent bugs, and in fact it may increase them. In contrast, the disenfranchisement in Georgia, Tennessee, and now proposed through the USPS,is fully intentional. Republican don't want legal voters to vote. The situation is not at all comparable.

After the Georgia ‘disenfranchisement’ Democrats won, proving all the hysteria is just hogwash.

Americans of all kinds ( including minorities ) want voter ID and election security. Stop repeating DNC talking points.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by muwtyhg »

thataccount wrote: post #294
muwtyhg wrote: post #96

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How does the article you linked support your point that mail-in voting is abused or rife with fraud?

>How does the article you linked support your point that mail-in voting is abused or rife with fraud? The absence of outrage on one issue concerning the Postal Service, and the presence of it for another. How come you couldn't understand that point?

> How come you couldn't understand that point?

Because you're vague-posting continually.

> The absence of outrage on one issue concerning the Postal Service, and the presence of it for another.

I don't see how the "absence of outrage" over a completely separate issue in any way proves your point about mail-in voting being abused.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by tstrimple »

FireBeyond wrote: post #105
majormajor wrote: post #102

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"Abhors democracy" isn't necessarily the right phrase for the on-the-ground majority. The leadership, sure. But not the average folk. "Has such a small imagination that they can't imagine they wouldn't be the majority" is more like it. For all the old fears of "we need the senate so big cities don't run the country" they have a massive blind spot of there being less diversity of thought, and more of a monoculture, in…

There's a sizable part of the group that truly believe that cities get more representation than they do, that there are more rural Americans than urban.

And that they are the “real Americans” who make all the money and all of their tax dollars go to pay for lazy city people. Never mind that counties which vote democratic account for over 70% of the GDP. Their entire existence is subsidized by the actual tax payers in cities and they resent us for it.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by tstrimple »

folkrav wrote: post #273
sethherr wrote: post #74

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That’s fine, except for places in the US (particularly poor urban areas) where you have to wait in line for hours and hours to vote - it would need to accommodate for that

The fact it takes hours upon hours is a problem in an of itself, it probably acts as a deterrent to vote for many. I just checked, in Canada it's 3 mandatory consecutive hours without docking pay or other penalities.

It’s an intentionally designed problem in blue cities that exist in red states. Constant ratfuckery by republicans influencing polling locations.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by hackyhacky »

RickJWagner wrote: post #342
hackyhacky wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are (intentionally) disregarding the question of intent. The NJ issue was a software bug. It was found and fixed. No amount of big government oversight will prevent bugs, and in fact it may increase them. In contrast, the disenfranchisement in Georgia, Tennessee, and now proposed through the USPS,is fully intentional. Republican don't want legal voters to vote. The situation is not at all comparable.

After the Georgia ‘disenfranchisement’ Democrats won, proving all the hysteria is just hogwash. Americans of all kinds ( including minorities ) want voter ID and election security. Stop repeating DNC talking points.

So in your view, illegal disenfranchisement of voters is okay as long as it's insufficient to change the results of the election?

By the way, Democrats did not win that election, as Georgia's Republican governor can tell you.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by throwawaypath »

hackyhacky wrote: post #315
throwawaypath wrote: post #307

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>But their contributions are, let's say, not motivated by fact-based reasoning. Neither are yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49546137

How does that contradict my point? 10 percent of Americans do not have acceptable ID and would be disenfranchised by Republican voter ID laws. Even free ID doesn't make the operation frictionless, as you still have to provide a birth cert or citizenship doc. Don't tell me I'm "unfactual" while presenting this kind of weak sauce non sequitur.

>How does that contradict my point?

Your point was states do not give free IDs. That point is an objectively false point. It directly contradicts your point.

> 10 percent of Americans do not have acceptable ID

Stop moving goalposts.

>Even free ID doesn't make the operation frictionless, as you still have to provide a birth cert or citizenship doc.

No one made the claim the operation is frictionless, stop straw manning.

>Don't tell me I'm "unfactual"

You are unfactual as proved in the thread.

>while presenting this kind of weak sauce non sequitur.

It's not a non sequitur, it dismantles your false statements.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by hackyhacky »

throwawaypath wrote: post #347
hackyhacky wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that contradict my point? 10 percent of Americans do not have acceptable ID and would be disenfranchised by Republican voter ID laws. Even free ID doesn't make the operation frictionless, as you still have to provide a birth cert or citizenship doc. Don't tell me I'm "unfactual" while presenting this kind of weak sauce non sequitur.

>How does that contradict my point? Your point was states do not give free IDs. That point is an objectively false point. It directly contradicts your point. > 10 percent of Americans do not have acceptable ID Stop moving goalposts. >Even free ID doesn't make the operation frictionless, as you still have to provide a birth cert or citizenship doc. No one made the claim the operation is frictionless, stop straw mannin…

> Your point was states do not give free IDs.

No, it was not. Either you are deeply confused or responding to wrong comment.

> Stop moving goalposts.

This is not moving goal posts. This is precisely the point. Voter ID laws will disenfranchise legal voters. That's it. That's the point.

> No one made the claim the operation is frictionless,

Good. Then you acknowledge that legal voters will be disenfranchised?

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by throwawaypath »

hackyhacky wrote: post #348
throwawaypath wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How does that contradict my point? Your point was states do not give free IDs. That point is an objectively false point. It directly contradicts your point. > 10 percent of Americans do not have acceptable ID Stop moving goalposts. >Even free ID doesn't make the operation frictionless, as you still have to provide a birth cert or citizenship doc. No one made the claim the operation is frictionless, stop straw mannin…

> Your point was states do not give free IDs. No, it was not. Either you are deeply confused or responding to wrong comment. > Stop moving goalposts. This is not moving goal posts. This is precisely the point. Voter ID laws will disenfranchise legal voters. That's it. That's the point. > No one made the claim the operation is frictionless, Good. Then you acknowledge that legal voters will be disenfranchised?

>No, it was not.

Yes, it was.

>Either you are deeply confused or responding to wrong comment.

Stop projecting about being confused. Everyone can see where you poorly attempted to support your objectively false points.

>This is not moving goal posts. This is precisely the point.

The point was you thought IDs for voting were not free. That is false. Stop moving the goalposts.

>Good. Then you acknowledge that legal voters will be disenfranchised?

Non sequitur. Proving you're eligibility to vote is not disenfranchisement.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by throwawaypath »

hackyhacky wrote: post #321
throwawaypath wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most (if not all?) states and provinces will have some form of "non driving" ID available if needed. However, it is optional, costs money and requires other documentation to get it, such as an original copy of a birth certificate. False. Every state in the US has a free voter ID option.

You are missing the point. Even if there is no financial cost, it requires documentation and time to get voter ID. It is not issued automatically. That's why 10% of the US population doesn't have form of ID that could be used to vote and will be disenfranchised under Republican voter ID requirements. Until that issue is fixed, voter ID is not something I can support.

>You are missing the point.

No I'm not.

>Even if there is no financial cost, it requires documentation and time to get voter ID.

Yes, you must prove your eligibility to vote.

>It is not issued automatically.

They are issued automatically after proving eligibility.

>That's why 10% of the US population doesn't have form of ID that could be used to vote

Correlation != causation

>and will be disenfranchised under Republican voter ID requirements.

No they won't.

>Until that issue is fixed, voter ID is not something I can support.

There are no issues to fix.

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