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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by coldtea »

deanishe wrote: post #289
utopiah wrote: post #270

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What makes Apple valuable is precisely its full vertical integration. Nobody else does it at that scale except maybe Sony for consoles and Microsoft but both don't have the same usage coverage and thus integration. It wouldn't be economically rational for Apple to bring down its own moat.

Apple isn't Sony. They make an arm and a leg on their hardware. When they switched to x86, it didn't take long for them to release Boot Camp, so they could take Windows users' money, too.

Windows dual boot meant millions of potential switchers, if not for anything else, as a list item to tell them "you could still dual boot".

Asahi-on-Mac would bring in irrelevant numbers for a company of Apple's size.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by coldtea »

vorticalbox wrote: post #268
worldsavior wrote: post #258

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Well, they will get more people buying MacBooks, though they won't really use their services.

I do wonder if the margin on Mac isn’t that high vs the price and the services (iCloud etc) make up for that. Amazon do the same with the fire.

We know that the Mac has fine margins.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by brewmarche »

LtWorf wrote: post #327
zer0zzz wrote: post #326

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WebKit, clang, the llvm backend for arm64

webkit is a fork from KDE, so "initiated" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. llvm also existed from before although apple supported the development. I was curious if apple had actually started any FOSS project.

Swift comes to mind, and this website has more https://opensource.apple.com/projects/ (it lists WebKit, but I guess they count WebKit after it split from KHTML, I’d agree with you there)

Also, Bonjour originated at Apple and it is cross-platform, although Avahi probably is more popular

CUPS is associated with Apple as well, but it seems that it also did not originate there

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by tiahura »

Phemist wrote: post #302
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #288

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I got my first ever Mac relatively recently and I'm shocked by how annoying MacOS is. Maybe the mistake was expecting a proper operating system that puts the user in charge and not something more similar to iOS. Also Mac forums are full of dumb users and aren't much help. Average problem solving experience: There is no solution because Apple doesn't allow it, the workaround doesn't really do what you want and the oth…

Yeah, vanilla MacOS is super focused on the set of "all windows of a given Application" as the useful "unit of work". Whereas in real work, you actually handle individual windows of a set of applications (e.g. firefox window for docs, vscode for code, finder window for project files) as the single unit you are working on. MacOS is, in my experience, incredibly clunky due to this mismatch. You can fix some (e.g. use A…

vanilla MacOS is super focused on the set of "all windows of a given Application" as the useful "unit of work". Whereas in real work, you actually handle individual windows of a set of applications (e.g. firefox window for docs, vscode for code, finder window for project files) as the single unit you are working on.

Thank you for articulating this so well.

When I bought a new M1 MacBook Air for my kid, I hadn’t used OSX in years, and was excited to try a super-polished Unix. Holy heck I couldn’t believe how work hostile it was. I want apps tiled so I can quickly jump betwee - not to go to the top of the screen to get bottom tile’s menu.

And the state of finder (other than preview) is something out of Redhat 5.1.

And the response is always “you’re holding it wrong.”

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by mikestew »

cute_boi wrote: post #262
mikestew wrote: post #257

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I mean, if you can’t read I could see how one might walk away with that impression.

My argument was apple is doing nothing much for open source, then you suddenly come with link that shows Apple has done nothing for open source compared to other company like Microsoft or Google or even Meta.

…compared to other company like Microsoft or Google or even Meta.

So you can read, you just moved the goalposts when you were shown to be mistaken.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by LtWorf »

brewmarche wrote: post #333
LtWorf wrote: post #327

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webkit is a fork from KDE, so "initiated" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. llvm also existed from before although apple supported the development. I was curious if apple had actually started any FOSS project.

Swift comes to mind, and this website has more https://opensource.apple.com/projects/ (it lists WebKit, but I guess they count WebKit after it split from KHTML, I’d agree with you there) Also, Bonjour originated at Apple and it is cross-platform, although Avahi probably is more popular CUPS is associated with Apple as well, but it seems that it also did not originate there

Last I heard from CUPS they fired the only guy who was working on it?

last thing i found https://mjtsai.com/blog/2025/03/26/apples-dormant-cups/

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by WD-42 »

j16sdiz wrote: post #304
WD-42 wrote: post #242

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Nobody is complaining about code not being provided. It’s more the schematics that are sitting in a drawer in Cupertino that would make the painstaking reverse engineering unnecessary. Someone at Apple would have a much easier time.

Well... every reverse engineering project is a schematic sitting in someone's drawer.

Not every project needs to be a reverse engineering project, and the future looks pretty bleak if getting Linux to work on every new computer turns into one. Hopefully this remains an Apple problem with their proprietary crap.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by gord288 »

LtWorf wrote: post #327
zer0zzz wrote: post #326

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WebKit, clang, the llvm backend for arm64

webkit is a fork from KDE, so "initiated" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. llvm also existed from before although apple supported the development. I was curious if apple had actually started any FOSS project.

Going back a few years, they open source’d their media streaming server, DSS: https://github.com/macosforge/dss

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by pjmlp »

walthamstow wrote: post #320
pjmlp wrote: post #285

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Only because some buy Apple instead of supporting Linux OEMs.

When Linux OEMs come out with hardware as good or nearly as good as Apple, people will buy it.

Then don't complain about giving money to Apple for macOS.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by pjmlp »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #314
pjmlp wrote: post #285

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Only because some buy Apple instead of supporting Linux OEMs.

It turns out people want actually good machines. I have the cheapest M1 Air and it still rocks and isn't power hungry. When Apple stops supporting it I will gladly switch to Asahi if capable.

So much that they rather use another UNIX and then keep complaining it isn't GNU/Linux, go figure.
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