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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by tarruda »

aurareturn wrote: post #274
apatheticonion wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right!? Linux can be configured to idle at less than 500mb of ram - by contrast, with some aggressive shenanigans, MacOS can idle at 2-3gb. When running inference, I would love to use all of my hardware please Apple.

It idles at 2-3GB but when your apps need the RAM, does it free up system memory so that it's closer to 500MB?

I use my Mac as a headless server to run LLMs, and never even start a desktop session so it always stays at pre-login state without any applications running. Even so, I never saw it using less than 2G in htop when logged via SSH.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by mrheosuper »

worldsavior wrote: post #303
mrheosuper wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should the address and logic change, when both are defined by hardware ?

The firmware sometimes wants more data, different places to set the data, so on. The firmware changes, and you gotta adapt the driver to it. Sometimes it's a complete overhaul.

I am still not sure why does OS has to be aware of this, if anything, only the HAL should be aware of this FW version to have correct behavior.

Every major OS already has this HAL layer, we just need to decide/design a generic and hope that every player will use it.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by mschuster91 »

xiphias2 wrote: post #295
chem83 wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the growing polarization in that space is pretty much going to kill any chance of collaboration (for example: https://xcancel.com/dhh/status/2091229491867594983?s=12&t=JH... ). It really boils down to DHH and his conservative worldview clashing over things like the downsides of corporate funding and capitalism, building system software by just throwing more AI cycles at it, rejecting data centers over env…

What you are talking about is just simply political polarization which is done on purpose by poiticians, which happened whether DHH or Ashahi Linux devs wanted or not. Also there is real human element in both, I'm just going to an Omarchy meetup that's organized next week, and DHH is also organizing some (just not in my city). I believe eventhough they won't work together directly, with open source they can just use…

> but now people are already creating Omarchy M4 GPU support using AI, and Ashahi devs can look at how it's working and understand it, they just want to take things a bit slower to have less slop

The thing is... it's legal issues in the end. With AI you cannot prove the provenance of your code, and you might get dinged in front of the courts.

With the way Asahi Linux, WINE and ReactOS operate - no AI, reverse-engineering has to be very carefully documented - it is much, much less likely someone can complain about violating laws and licenses.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

pjmlp wrote: post #285
jdeaton wrote: post #78

This is really incredible work but so frustrating that its necessary

Only because some buy Apple instead of supporting Linux OEMs.

It turns out people want actually good machines. I have the cheapest M1 Air and it still rocks and isn't power hungry. When Apple stops supporting it I will gladly switch to Asahi if capable.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by dgroshev »

chem83 wrote: post #279
xiphias2 wrote: post #271

While the Ashahi engineers are working super hard reverse engineering the Apple Silicon, there has been a huge surge in Omarchy circles to get it all working with AI writing all the drivers and get all kinds of hardware in M4/M5 and later M6 working as well. It sped up a lot.

I feel like the growing polarization in that space is pretty much going to kill any chance of collaboration (for example: https://xcancel.com/dhh/status/2091229491867594983?s=12&t=JH... ). It really boils down to DHH and his conservative worldview clashing over things like the downsides of corporate funding and capitalism, building system software by just throwing more AI cycles at it, rejecting data centers over env…

I don't think "growing polarisation" is the right framing here. It gives way too much weight and legitimacy to views that have to be subjected to cordon sanitaire [1].

It's not acceptable to associate race with national identity (DHH's London post). It's not acceptable to call for ethnic cleansing (his post on Travellers). It's not "just another view, couldn't we all get along"; we can respectfully disagree on small state vs large state, on low taxes vs high welfare, on isolationism vs interventionism even, but DHH's views have to be unacceptable.

What is happening is a number of very rich, powerful, well-connected men (and sometimes women, see AfD) are trying to normalise those views and demolish the cordon sanitaire. "It's just another view" and framing this view as legitimate, just polarised, is one of their tactics. It's a moral duty of anyone remotely believing in the OG liberalism (you know, that people are equal regardless of their skin colour or ethnicity) to not let them.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire_(politics)

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by pantulis »

smm11 wrote: post #191

I don't understand this. Buy something else to run Linux, as in anything other than Apple M series laptops. And if you want to do AI stuff, suffer with OSX using too much RAM, or again, buy something appropriate.

Well I think the challenge is in the challenge itself, that's good old open-source at work and I wish both the Asahi and Omarchy teams the best of luck in this endeavor.

But I agree with you that if I wanted to run Linux, I would get non-Apple hardware, will probably get better support and spend less time fixing things. The interesting thing would be having proper full M* support in Linux as this would allow for more efficient virtualization as a guest.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by fl0id »

xiphias2 wrote: post #295
chem83 wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the growing polarization in that space is pretty much going to kill any chance of collaboration (for example: https://xcancel.com/dhh/status/2091229491867594983?s=12&t=JH... ). It really boils down to DHH and his conservative worldview clashing over things like the downsides of corporate funding and capitalism, building system software by just throwing more AI cycles at it, rejecting data centers over env…

What you are talking about is just simply political polarization which is done on purpose by poiticians, which happened whether DHH or Ashahi Linux devs wanted or not. Also there is real human element in both, I'm just going to an Omarchy meetup that's organized next week, and DHH is also organizing some (just not in my city). I believe eventhough they won't work together directly, with open source they can just use…

asahi will for sure never use their code.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by LtWorf »

shmoe wrote: post #244

It is odd that Apple doesn't chip in here... they've originated so much decent stuff in the OSS space. Seems like a huge missed opportunity.

Can you make 3 examples of things they originated? I'm honestly asking.
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