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Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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No, lack of GPU acceleration. Give me a laptop with sleep and HDMI output that has no 3d acceleration and I will give you back an unusable laptop.

If you don't want to play 3d games or run local LLMs, why is GPU acceleration important when you have a more than capable CPU for any desktop UI?

Without 3D accl basic web browsing can sort of suck, QubesOS has software only rendering and you can really feel it.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Apple silicon has features specifically designed for macOS or software running on macOS. e.g.: Rosetta 2. From Wikipedia: One of the key reasons why Rosetta 2 provides such a high level of translation efficiency is the support of x86-64 memory ordering in the M1 SoC.[12] The SoC also has dedicated instructions for computing x86 flags. So, Apple always adds one more thing to their hardware to enable their magic. [0]:…

The reason Apple has the in house ability to run on multiple chip systems is because of their history going all the way back to Next and that little handheld from the early 1990s under Scully and all their work with Motorola and IBM over the years, that ability is what separates them from Microsoft who is having trouble getting Windows working with multiple CPU chips. Apple is simply better at it.

Windows in the 90s was ported from x86 to MIPS, DEC Alpha, PowerPC, and SPARC.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Why Apple does not at least provide the specs to the community? So much wasted effort when they can just share a pdf.

Apple's hypervisor.framework lets other OS instances run very very fast with the UTM app (open source on github, but i use the prebuilt version from the App Store). In my case i've used arm native linuxes (arch with various compositors, kde, gnome, fedora) all on M2, M2 Max, M5 and the experience is indistinguishable from native. MacOS is running too. I think hardcore graphics folks might want direct accelerator acce…

I just don't trust macOS enough to run the hw, AsahiLinux/Linux Kernel I do, I love Apple hardware but want to run Linux.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Apple are hostile to everything CopyLeft. Why would they "chip in" here?

Well, they will get more people buying MacBooks, though they won't really use their services.

Folks are much better supporting Linux and BSD OEMs than buying Apple than then trying to run Linux on their devices.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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I'm not sure I understand the target user for Asahi. Is this someone that only wants to run Linux and wants to use their GPU on Linux? Seems like this is not the case, yet. Or, is this for someone that wants to dual boot and use Linux sometimes, and then reboot into MacOS when they want to use the GPU?

I have an M2 Macbook Air that i sometimes boot into Asahi to play Steam games that doesn't work natively on mac. It works unreasonably well given that there is something like five different translation layers to make it work!

I have an M2 Macbook Air that I love, it's the best machine to read news from and access other machines over SSH, I only use macOS to use rekordbox, 99% of the time I'm booting into AsahiLinux

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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My bet: Apple is going to close it down. It is too much of a legal risk. What if some Linux enthusiast finds patent infringements in Apple's undocumented APIs?

There used to be a rule in some of the AsahiLinux channels that no RE discussion was allowed, not sure why.

I also know the AsahiLinux team is very aware if there are any unintended things that cross the Linux-macOS boundary Apple would very likely just shut it down.

Apparently even the macbook neo has the ability to run AsahiLinux, so they can definitely allow access to running alt OSs pretty easily

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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The reason this amazing project exists is the same reason my current Mac will be my last Mac. I wish the team every success.

I got my first ever Mac relatively recently and I'm shocked by how annoying MacOS is. Maybe the mistake was expecting a proper operating system that puts the user in charge and not something more similar to iOS. Also Mac forums are full of dumb users and aren't much help. Average problem solving experience: There is no solution because Apple doesn't allow it, the workaround doesn't really do what you want and the other users question why you have to do the thing you want to do anyway. "Why not just let Apple wake up your hibernating Macbook at 3:00 AM and drain the battery bro, they know what they're doing"

Sadly the hardware is amazing and so much more efficient compared to Intel/AMD x86. We need M-series chips for Linux.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Well, they will get more people buying MacBooks, though they won't really use their services.

What makes Apple valuable is precisely its full vertical integration. Nobody else does it at that scale except maybe Sony for consoles and Microsoft but both don't have the same usage coverage and thus integration. It wouldn't be economically rational for Apple to bring down its own moat.

Apple isn't Sony. They make an arm and a leg on their hardware.

When they switched to x86, it didn't take long for them to release Boot Camp, so they could take Windows users' money, too.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Honestly I wouldn't waste any of my time trying to run a worse OS than MacOS in a hardware that wasn't completely supported by the sw As much as I like Linux this kind of tinkering is only for people with more time and less expectations about the experience If I need Linux I can always go for UTM or something similar

Sounds like you haven't used Asahi. I found the kde remix to be pretty nice to use. Literally the only thing that I found frustrating was: 1) for the longest time, but no longer, Google did not ship an official chrome linux arm64 package. Chromium Browser also has not included google sync for years now. But now, google chrome does ship for arm64 linux so its all good. 2) usb-c video still doesn't work, so not ideal f…

Good to know, but even in a well rounded Linux it seems you hit several mini-annoyances every day

Case in point, any form of package management. Or then you have Flatpack, with its own list of issues

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