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Re: Programming is Art

#131
post #72

Art is "expression of an idea". Programming ISN'T art; the program/game/website could be, but programming is a CRAFT. The people he mentions are not artists, they are craftsmen.

I wrote a programming language because I wanted to express the way my brain works and to help people understand the way certain people think about the world. Art or craft?

Re: Programming is Art

#132
post #11

Why are people mixing everything up? Since when code has a soul? AI can be just a tool. You use it the same way you use a keyboard, a computer, a pencil, etc. I'm pretty sure you can build art with it, much like using any tool. People are making art with ascii. You can do art with anything. But AI can also be much more than a tool, and why can't it have a soul? What's a soul anyway, except something that humans are m…

If you don't know what a soul is, and you think it's something people just make up, then you are missing out on the experience of being human and you have a bigger problem than not being able to understand what art is.

A lot of serious philosophers don't believe in souls.

Re: Programming is Art

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post #46

I am (still) not a proponent for AI, however I hope AI might do to programming what the camera did to painting, and I hope that will be a good thing. What we understand as painting today is very different then what painting meant pre-camera. Now it is mostly a leisure activity and creative outlet. Where back in the day it was a serious occupation for capturing reality, and therefore creativity was taking second stage…

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Re: Programming is Art

#134

I used to really enjoy writing code, to the point where I would have thought of it as art and fine contemplation. 25 years of corporate development beat that enjoyment out of me. AI is just the final nail in the coffin. I have no enjoyment left in coding; I firmly believe the current crop of programming languages will go in the same vein as human written assembly language did. I don't believe the current LLM-based AI…

What revived me was doing visual coding using Node-RED[1] - remember Yahoo Pipes? Great fun doing stuff "visually" by connecting the rectangles with the lines!

That brings me joy after 30+ years of typing at the keyboard.

In the end though, it's the problem solving that makes this job fun. Minor dopamine hits when a minor thing gets fixed (or some weird bug resolves itself into a 8 bits/1 byte solution!). That's all gone when working with LLMs - it's perfect code each time ... until ... you have to understand what went wrong ... more LLMs, more Tokens, more cash burnt. But no problems understood nor solved, just prompt adjusting and virtual monkeys at virtual keyboards.

Oh, well - here's to the bright future of electric creativity out of the tube.

[1] https://nodered.org/

Re: Programming is Art

#135
post #109
post #46

I am (still) not a proponent for AI, however I hope AI might do to programming what the camera did to painting, and I hope that will be a good thing. What we understand as painting today is very different then what painting meant pre-camera. Now it is mostly a leisure activity and creative outlet. Where back in the day it was a serious occupation for capturing reality, and therefore creativity was taking second stage…

Nobody will go to an exhibition or a museum to stare at code like we do with paintings. The public for creative programming is really thin.

No, because it doesn't make sense to experience it in that context. I think of it as more like poetry . For example: https://www.norvig.com/spell-correct.html

Re: Programming is Art

#136
post #46

I am (still) not a proponent for AI, however I hope AI might do to programming what the camera did to painting, and I hope that will be a good thing. What we understand as painting today is very different then what painting meant pre-camera. Now it is mostly a leisure activity and creative outlet. Where back in the day it was a serious occupation for capturing reality, and therefore creativity was taking second stage…

Excellent analogy which I'm annoyed I didn't think of myself.

That is a sharp observation! It is the true North Star of analogies!

Re: Programming is Art

#137
post #72

Art is "expression of an idea". Programming ISN'T art; the program/game/website could be, but programming is a CRAFT. The people he mentions are not artists, they are craftsmen.

Art is a word, Craft is a word, this line is a sentence, and the whole text is a paragraph.

Does any of it really matter?

A Urinal[1] can be Art. A collection of programs[2] can be Art. Why?

Because we define it as such. Art isn't clearly defined nor should it be. Art is an expression of an idea, and at the same time, it isn't. It depends on what you think, what I believe and what everyone else knows.

Art for me is the expression of the fact that nothing makes sense yet we act as if we understand the sense behind it all, and at the same time, I dunno.

This is not a pipe[3]. As this is not a program or is it? Apparently this can be a prompt to generate code - nowadays.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)

[2] https://p-dpa.net/work/code-poems/

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

Re: Programming is Art

#138
post #11

Why are people mixing everything up? Since when code has a soul? AI can be just a tool. You use it the same way you use a keyboard, a computer, a pencil, etc. I'm pretty sure you can build art with it, much like using any tool. People are making art with ascii. You can do art with anything. But AI can also be much more than a tool, and why can't it have a soul? What's a soul anyway, except something that humans are m…

Isn't one of the main attractions to art the skill required to create it? If anyone can create some dodgy AI picture, it ceases to have the same, if any, value.
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