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post #531

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What happened to Brian Sicknick?

Officer Sicknick did not die from being hit by a fire extinguisher because that never happened https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/brian-sicknick-fire-exting... >. He died of a stroke which the autopsy found no connection with the riot https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/brian-sickn... >. The one person who died violently was one of the rioters, an unarmed woman who was shot by Capitol Police. Four other r…

An unarmed woman climbing through a smashed window with a capital police officer on the other side, sidearm drawn, warning her not to advance, in the middle of a crowd storming the capitol building while a gallows stood outside, waiting for the crowd to bring out a member of congress or the Vice President.

> * U.S. representative Markwayne Mullin [currently head of DHS], a witness to Babbitt's attempted breach, said that Byrd "didn't have a choice" but to shoot, and that his action "saved people's lives".* [0]

The shooting was deemed “lawful and within department policy”.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_Babbitt

Re: A/I shuts down

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I wasn't aware of this group; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistici/Inventati is their wiki article, but it is a little light on details. Some of the claims are interesting - "Decision making in the group takes places collectively instead of through majority voting." - isn't explained by the sourced article.

This is how you get mindless group-think. Anyone who tries to object to a bad idea is turned into an outcast and seen as a boat rocker, so members are trained to toe the line at all costs. Very unhealthy.

It sound like you had one bad social experience and are projecting that onto them.

Re: A/I shuts down

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post #446
post #86

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This. When the US government decides to label you “terrorist organization”, it means that you are now targeted by the most potent state actor on earth, which will go as far as blowing up weddings in your neighborhood to stop you. So unless you're willing to become a literal terrorist organization and die with a bunch of your friends in an uphill battle (not technically unwinnable, but at least lopsided and the casual…

> not technically unwinnable Most should take those odds over giving up another inch of freedom.

People with minor kids and/or dependent spouses/family often disagree.

Re: A/I shuts down

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post #308

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TBH China is not currently bombing a foreign country for no reason and it is not threatening to invade its allies. It’s not a particularly high bar, but of the big powers, only China currently meets it. And I know you will say „but payment networks are not a warfare question, they are an economic question“ but that kind of breaks down when they are used to sanction ICC judges presiding over war crime cases.

China has invaded and conquered other countries before, has occupied territories and clearly plans to invade at least one neighbour id it gets the chance. Its hugely oppressive internally and is wiping out minority cultures by any means required.

100%. I absolutely would prefer my own country to be a global superpower, but it isn’t.

However, currently, only US and Russia have publicly threatened my country, and both are currently engaged in a trade war with us.

China on the other hand is selling us cheap batteries and solar panels.

Re: A/I shuts down

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post #253

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Define genocide so we can all be sure we're talking about the same thing.

It's defined in the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Long title but the document is like two pages, easy reading for even the intellectually laziest persons.

That definition is less than ideal from several perspectives. It serves neither side.

The worst reason to hate it is that it relies on proving intent (dolus specialis), which essentially makes it unenforceable unless the perpetrator is a group of simpletons.

It really hit me when I realized that there are only two ways to prove intent: The criminal admits it, or the prosecution proves that there are literally zero other possible explanations that could possibly fit the actions.

So - Back to the point. Did the USA assist people guilty of genocide by your own chosen definition? Not if there could be literally any other intention.

Keep in mind that Hamas's own convention (1988) clearly declares that they partly exist as a group for the purpose of wiping Israel out, and they did actually perpetrate October 7th. It would be very difficult for even the best lawyer in the world to argue that self-defense couldn't be at least one possible intention, and given that the nation of Israel probably has one or two decent lawyers, they'd likely be able to come up with a few other possible intentions as well, but they only need one to completely avoid prosecution.

A second reason to hate it is that it doesn't carve out exceptions for mutual combat situations, even the ones that that have been dragging on for thousands of years. When two religious groups or ethnicities from neighboring regions fight each other in open combat few reasonable people would refer to that as a genocide, but it might be considered genocide against both sides if we interpret the UN Convention as it was actually ratified.

> even the intellectually laziest persons

Yo mama.

To be more serious, this wasn't necessary and was rude. What was your goal? To convince me? To convince others? Neither are best accomplished with this sort of behavior.

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That doesn't follow. It's OK to say you wish a politician was dead. It's not OK to pay someone to kill them. It's OK to say that you support some criminal activity (let's say Luigi), but it's not OK to offer direct financial support for their crimes.

> It's OK to say you wish a politician was dead. It's not OK to pay someone to kill them. Both actions are equivalent, as such words are (social and/or political) capital bounties offered to the masses in return for fulfilling the death of said politician. Capital always exists, even in the form of words. To deny a variant of capital whilst allowing another variant is inconsistent/doublespeak. Just because it's not p…

> Both actions are equivalent, as such words are (social and/or political) capital bounties offered to the masses in return for fulfilling the death of said politician.

Neither the law nor common interpretation of words agrees with this. There is a significant and crucial difference between words and actions.

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post #481

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Define genocide so we can all be sure we're talking about the same thing.

Intentionally creating circumstances that can lead to a destruction of a group as a whole or in part. Circumstances were created. The destruction of a group also happened in a significant part, and it's only not more horrendous than it already is just because of massive international support to Palestinians, on whose destruction americans participated in very significant part. Almost all of it was done by american su…

It sounds like you have very strong feelings about this. The kind that may not be ideal for a polite conversation.

Re: A/I shuts down

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post #307

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> So unless you're willing to become a literal terrorist organization and die with a bunch of your friends in an uphill battle (not technically unwinnable, but at least lopsided and the casualties will be tremendous), the only option is to cave. Honestly, the internet has made folks so lazy. It's very ironic that the most "revolutionary" act taken recently (January 6) was actually done by the far-right. Yeah: if you…

If everyone is so comfortable, what do we need a revolution for? Wasn't that the goal of civilization? If someone doesn't like civilization, why try to bring it down? There's plenty of places on earth you can go to live without it.

It sounds like you don’t know what it means to have your ancestors fighting to death for freedom and rights, being enslaved in work camps…

The fight is to never get to this situation again and to keep the rights people died for you to have.

You act like things are binary “comfort” vs “horrible life”. It’s not like Fascism grows slowly and then suddenly you are locked.

Re: A/I shuts down

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This is simply false history. Every NATO member went to Afghanistan with the USA. Even Iceland despite not having a traditional army participated in the invasion. As for Iraq: UK, Poland, Spain, Portugal, and Denmark provided soldiers to partake in the illegal invasion. Even Iceland participated in the propaganda war by putting them self on the farcical “Coalition the willing” along plenty of other NATO countries. It…

I think your personal beliefs fit reality if you ignore the parts of reality that strongly refute it. That kind of mentality is getting popular these days. I'll leave you to it.

Which parts of my “personal believes” are wrong? And maybe this mentality is getting more popular because it is true. People are tired of being fed propaganda for Western imperialism and capitalism more broadly.

My last attempt to convince you: Ask your self, why did Iceland not vote in favor of a ban on nuclear weapons at the UN general assembly 2016? Why has Iceland still not signed and ratified the treaty? Why has no NATO member done so? Why are Austria and Ireland one of very few European nations to do so?

Aside from France and the UK, it is hard to find an answer here which does not include American imperialist agenda.

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