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Post by 20after4 »

nosioptar wrote: post #232
bambax wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"violent" is used many times in this announcement, but it would seem that one of the most violent entity in the world right now are the US? Also, it's so weird that "antifa" (antifascists) has become a bad thing. If antifa is bad then it must mean "fa" is good? So we should bring back the Nazis? The "Western hemisphere" (which, of course, is neither) tolerates the US and the way it enforces its decisions outside its…

I too find it really weird. My grandpa was a member of a violent antifascist organization (US Army, 1940s). The US government even awarded him multiple medals for his antifa activities.

The Fa has taken over the US government.

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Post by eikenberry »

flohofwoe wrote: post #117

Hmm, I would have expected more outrage from the US "free speech absolutists" over this US government decision ;)

This is such a small blip in all the crap this administration is perpetrating that most are probably not aware of it or are drowned out in the rage over inflation, tariffs, wars, immigrants, etc.

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Post by vmg12 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #117

Hmm, I would have expected more outrage from the US "free speech absolutists" over this US government decision ;)

I hate to see this strawman every single time there is an attack on free speech. You are actually mocking the fight for free speech. You aren't attacking the hypocrites that only use it when convenient.

The only purpose this rhetoric serves is to justify using the power of government to silence opponents the next time your side happens to be in power.

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Post by jpoesen »

stanleykm wrote: post #201
vrganj wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats the dictionary definition of terror again? > violence or the threat of violence used as a weapon of intimidation or coercion > especially: violent or destructive acts (such as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terror Now, which actor in this story does this sound like? The webhoster exercising the…

It sounds like that until you realize that the baseline behavior is for countries that are not in NATO to be subservient to NATO. So, as you can see, it is the governments and populations that are coercing and intimidating themselves and NATO is helpfully returning them to normalcy.

Oh sweet summer child, you would be absolutely correct were it not for your unfortunate confounding of NATO with the USA.

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Post by 20after4 »

Ciph wrote: post #162
sdcfgy wrote: post #59

This reminds me how fragile the internet is and how we need other channels of communication.

Maybe LoRa? Doesn't get more sovereign than that. As long you have people to connect with, that is.

LoRa is very short range and extremely bandwidth limited.

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Post by [deleted] »

stymaar wrote: post #86
unfocso wrote: post #12

Really sad, and also a testament of the fact that as much as we think we try to be indipendent, eventually once somebody starts putting enough pressure on the people around you (and you turn from "a neutral customer" to "a liability") the path to isolation is very short.

This. When the US government decides to label you “terrorist organization”, it means that you are now targeted by the most potent state actor on earth, which will go as far as blowing up weddings in your neighborhood to stop you. So unless you're willing to become a literal terrorist organization and die with a bunch of your friends in an uphill battle (not technically unwinnable, but at least lopsided and the casual…

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Post by dvt »

stymaar wrote: post #86
unfocso wrote: post #12

Really sad, and also a testament of the fact that as much as we think we try to be indipendent, eventually once somebody starts putting enough pressure on the people around you (and you turn from "a neutral customer" to "a liability") the path to isolation is very short.

This. When the US government decides to label you “terrorist organization”, it means that you are now targeted by the most potent state actor on earth, which will go as far as blowing up weddings in your neighborhood to stop you. So unless you're willing to become a literal terrorist organization and die with a bunch of your friends in an uphill battle (not technically unwinnable, but at least lopsided and the casual…

> So unless you're willing to become a literal terrorist organization and die with a bunch of your friends in an uphill battle (not technically unwinnable, but at least lopsided and the casualties will be tremendous), the only option is to cave.

Honestly, the internet has made folks so lazy. It's very ironic that the most "revolutionary" act taken recently (January 6) was actually done by the far-right. Yeah: if you believe in something, you need to actually get out of the basement, grab a gun, and storm the Capitol. And if you take it all the way, a lot of people are going to die. That's how revolution works. Unless we're all LARPing?

But Americans/Westerners (left, right, center) are way too comfortable for a revolution, so for people that are, or have been, actual dissidents (think Arab Spring, or IRA, or ETA, or whatever), this is all just a big meme.

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Post by FabCH »

graemep wrote: post #251
toomuchtodo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why efforts by China to stand up independent cross border payment rails are important. You have to cut the US out of any ability to control activities outside of their boundaries. China, Egypt to do away with the use of the US dollar - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49555056 - September 2026 China nears launch of mBridge as alternative to Swift - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48636931 - June 202…

So the rest of the world has the option of relying on China instead? How is that better?

TBH China is not currently bombing a foreign country for no reason and it is not threatening to invade its allies.

It’s not a particularly high bar, but of the big powers, only China currently meets it.

And I know you will say „but payment networks are not a warfare question, they are an economic question“ but that kind of breaks down when they are used to sanction ICC judges presiding over war crime cases.

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Post by pet_the_bird »

xoa wrote: post #299
flohofwoe wrote: post #117

Hmm, I would have expected more outrage from the US "free speech absolutists" over this US government decision ;)

I'm a free speech absolutist (albeit one of apparently few people who actually knows what "free speech" is [0]) and I'm absolutely outraged and infuriated by this action and a long history of anti-speech actions by the USG, though this particular Administration is unprecedented in terms of censorship, general evil and authoritarianism in modern history. I also think it's unfortunate how many people in favor of all so…

I am not sure I see a fundamental distinction between HN censoring your speech on their platform or the government preventing you from speaking in public. Both are censoring you right? Is the difference the fact that HN is free to regulate its own platform as it wants to?

For a large part I see people using digital platforms as a primary method of expressing their thoughts and opinions. Governments in both the US and the EU have imposed restrictions on what platforms may host. I think we have not reconciled yet how to reinterpret free speech online.

Im no expert on free speech, of free speech absolutism, so please let inform me :)

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Post by foxglacier »

healsdata wrote: post #195
SkyeCA wrote: post #53

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Substack knowingly and openly platforms neo-nazis, allowing them to profit from their rhetoric while taking a piece of the action. Even if the authors avoid specific calls to violence to skirt the ToS, it still gives them fertile ground for recruitment and funding of their activities. By your definition, then, Substack should be labelled as a terrorist organization and shutdown, yes?

Writing about your Neo-Nazi beliefs, or even being a Neo-Nazi doesn't make you a terrorist, and I'm sure none of those you're talking about are. So no, by his definition, Substack shouldn't be labelled as a terrorist organization and shutdown.
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