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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mitxela wrote: post #518
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #509

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> We actually need to decouple ourselves We’re in a globalized world with aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons. The fallacy of thinking a major economy (or significant nation) can decouple from any expansionist regime is a lesson I thought we learned from the first half of the last century.

US weapons are near useless due to prolonged institutional corruption, just like Russian ones. This was learned from Iran.

> US weapons are near useless due to prolonged institutional corruption, just like Russian ones

At invading or achieving any geopolitical objective, yes (though I wouldn’t compare the American military-industrial base to Russia’s). At causing at least as much chaos as sanctions, no.

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Post by mitxela »

mcv wrote: post #390
Frieren wrote: post #266

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> That all relies on American platforms. Totally true. The EU needs its own platforms, I hope that better regulated than their USA counterparts. Linux started in Europe, it should have been promoted more for internal usage. But privatization of state-owned companies made it ideologically impossible to push for it. Public good was seen as "bad" and "against business", I hope that the obvious failure of that policy mak…

We used to. Contactless payments from my phone didn't require Google Wallet a few years ago, but now they do. My bank passes suddenly say VISA and have credit card numbers on them which they didn't have a few years ago. European banks are going in the completely wrong direction and need to reverse.

Your bank pass may support multiple systems. I think a lot of European cards (not all) are EC-Karten as well as one of the major credit card brands, and when you use it in an ATM, it uses neither system but directly contacts your bank.

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Post by mitxela »

qwertytyyuu wrote: post #476
graemep wrote: post #397

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China has invaded and conquered other countries before, has occupied territories and clearly plans to invade at least one neighbour id it gets the chance. Its hugely oppressive internally and is wiping out minority cultures by any means required.

But for now at least, it’s doing less of that than the US

Why did I say it and get deadened and then 2 hours later you said it and weren't.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

nullbio wrote: post #511
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #42

I wasn't aware of this group; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistici/Inventati is their wiki article, but it is a little light on details. Some of the claims are interesting - "Decision making in the group takes places collectively instead of through majority voting." - isn't explained by the sourced article.

This is how you get mindless group-think. Anyone who tries to object to a bad idea is turned into an outcast and seen as a boat rocker, so members are trained to toe the line at all costs. Very unhealthy.

Possible. But the fact they have been running anarchist IT services for 25 years says otherwise.

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Post by mitxela »

parineum wrote: post #227
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #42

I wasn't aware of this group; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistici/Inventati is their wiki article, but it is a little light on details. Some of the claims are interesting - "Decision making in the group takes places collectively instead of through majority voting." - isn't explained by the sourced article.

That seems like two words for the same thing to me but making the distinction seems like a signalling mechanism to me.

IETF for instance, makes the distinction because they do not use a fixed vote threshold, but use a judgement of someone with good judgement, taking all facts into account such as the strength of disagreement.

And of course if that person turns out to have bad judgement they won't listen to him next time.

It is certainly possible for this to become unstable and split into two or more groups. This may work for the IETF which frequently creates and destroys working groups.

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Post by mitxela »

agnishom wrote: post #517
Ciph wrote: post #162

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Maybe LoRa? Doesn't get more sovereign than that. As long you have people to connect with, that is.

Is it related to reticulum?

Reticulum can use it as one of several transport layers. LoRa is just layer 1 only

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

Grombobulous wrote: post #169
pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #130

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> “we designed this to be anonymous and specifically intend/expect for it to be used in any way regardless of legality and are okay with it.” That is also what Signal does. Or absolutely any end-to-end encrypted communication service at all - these are explicitly designed not to retain details of communication. Do you want to declare them terrorists too?

What Signal does is different than what A/I was in a number of ways.

They're saying the difference is that Signal doesn't say it. If you ask Signal about their support of terrorist groups, they'll say Signal doesn't allow terrorism on its platform (even though it obviously does since it has no way to know). Those are the Right Words. If you ask A/I, they said they didn't care if someone was a terrorist. Those are the Wrong Words. There's a social game being played at the highest levels that A/I have forfeited.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by runarberg »

Waterluvian wrote: post #488
selfhoster1312 wrote: post #407

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They have been involved in pretty much all previous USA "idiotic wars of aggression", so while it may become useful in the future to make a distinction, it's also fair to appreciate that this distinction doesn't make a lot sense to a whole bunch of people.

The one time NATO was called on to defend a member was the U.S. asking for help after 9/11. And nobody but the UK followed them into Iraq, shortly after the Afghanistan war began. So there’s certainly strong history of NATO not just doing whatever the U.S. is up to. I recall this time as a very strong refusal of the above miscategorization of NATO. Bush and his cronies had a whole “you’re with us or against us” tantr…

This is simply false history. Every NATO member went to Afghanistan with the USA. Even Iceland despite not having a traditional army participated in the invasion.

As for Iraq: UK, Poland, Spain, Portugal, and Denmark provided soldiers to partake in the illegal invasion. Even Iceland participated in the propaganda war by putting them self on the farcical “Coalition the willing” along plenty of other NATO countries.

It is very hard to see NATO as anything other then an extension of USA‘s imperial ambitions. It is as if in the year 1986 you would look at the Warsaw pact and claim this is a pact of independent nations and has nothing to do with the interest of the Soviet Union.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #243
pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #226

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The A/I vetting was in the form of a form asking why do you want A/I email or blog. You could write anything in it. Meanwhile, Signal requires a phone number, so it knows much more about your identity than A/I did.

How do you know what the A/I vetting consisted of or what standards they held? They don't seem to have published any detailed description of the process, and by their own account they destroyed all records of the vetting after approval.

Maybe they clicked on the signup form while it was still live. You know, to gather actual information instead of speculating.

Several fediverse instances have the same thing. It's just a freeform textbox saying why do you want an account.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

politician wrote: post #350
vrganj wrote: post #341

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Again, whatever laws you have in the US is irrelevant in Italy, where they have their own free speech and the US is the foreign country . Free speech has been around as a concept for two millenia, starting with Athenian democracy. Your relatively recent constitution didn't invent it and harping on your particular implementation is off-topic.

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The story is not about the US determination. The US makes many insane determinations every day. The story is about an Italian entity with zero ties to the US, with several Italian court rulings in its favor, being forced to comply anyway. Not just comply but shut down.

If they're really good they're about to start an identical but legally distinct organisation, but I think they're retiring.

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