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Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by computerdork »

Danox wrote: post #135
morkalork wrote: post #105

What the fuck is wrong with Americans? There's so many ignorant, racist, and all around shit takes in this thread.

Many Americans are in the middle of the death throes of empire the world is moving on and as an American. That’s fine with me Lake Ontario forever ha.ha.ha…

As an American, would say more than half our country actually agrees with you. Trumps approval rating has fallen to 39% while 58% disapprove. Yeah, a lot of us in the US are in just as much amazement as the rest of the world at the crazy and petty actions he takes.

So we’re just bidding our time, waiting until the midterm elections to weaken the right, and then afterwards, we’ll just be counting the days until he’s out of office. Hopefully he’ll be replaced with someone who is at least halfway competent - it amazes us how almost everything the touches gets completely screwed up

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by ahartmetz »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #113
ahartmetz wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If any nation in Europe that can start a new space frontier, that would be the Germans If that is true, then only because the company doesn't immediately have to fight Arianespace. It is France that has the strongest existing know-how and longest history in rockets, going further back than Arianespace. The gap between WW2 rocket development and now is so long that German history with rockets may as well not exist.

"The gap between WW2 rocket development and now is so long that German history with rockets may as well not exist." well they exist in both US and Soviet at the time

Yeah, but my point is that it doesn't help current German space companies.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by usrusr »

tsimionescu wrote: post #107
TacticalCoder wrote: post #46

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> Deep down, we're an annoyingly arrogant little country with delusions of grandeur ... The problem is France used to be the world's superpower, with an economy bigger than the one of the UK. Literally number one. Then the monarchy fell and all it took was a mere 15 years for that little arrogant man that Napoleon was to get its arse (and France's arse) handed to him in Waterloo in 1815. 15 years to throw away centur…

> P.S: the biggest success, from their leftist point of view, of french intellectuals is managing to present national-socialists as "far right" (as if they were fascists) I wander how "national-socialist" sounds in other European languages, and whether it might have some history of referring to fascist movements. Say, what would the Germans call someone like that? Nationalsozialistische? I don't remember if there is…

Yeah, "when have national-socialists ever been fascist!" is all I read in GP's post after I got to that part. It's just a brain crash for me (I'm German)

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by [deleted] »

nolok wrote: post #58
walrus01 wrote: post #39

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Another and more immediate concern is that anything which contains subcomponents/subsystems or parts from US origin companies runs into ITAR and MTCR [1] issues with the US federal government. There's a number of very complex European origin final aviation/aerospace industry products which are laden with US-origin components. I wonder about exactly how "non-US" this Isar rocket is. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Agreed, the moment we allowed MBDA to put some american component in our (French) missiles made with european allies (Scalp, Meteor), the US blocked our sales to Egypt because they wanted to sell their own instead, using ITAR, forcing us to fix it for the french version. The US has repeatedly proven that ITAR is for them as much of a military thing as it is an economic one, and that they're willing to use it against…

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Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by usrusr »

kelipso wrote: post #129
spiderfarmer wrote: post #70

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That’s a pretty childish take on a serious subject.

No, it’s a very strong indicator that a peace deal will never be signed until unconditional surrender. Because concerns about NATO troops in Ukraine is main reason why Russia started this.

Claimed reason.

If Russia is so afraid, perhaps they would be open to a peace deal guaranteed by NATO troops stationed on their ground?

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by eblume »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #138
nolok wrote: post #4

Congratulation and great news ! For Europe, but also the world, space access is one of those frontiers we can (and I believe will) see truly opened in my lifetime and I find that truly awesome. Interestingly there still seems to be a difference in approach between "few launch, expected to go well" in europe and "many launch as trial and error" in the US, with other countries falling somewhere in between those two lim…

>massive subsidies Misinformation

I was curious, so I checked. I don't know if this is a reputable source: https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/space-explor...

If that's correct, then yeah, I struggle to find much to be upset about with this list. $106M federal loan against what they've built feels, I don't know, about correct for a telecom. Light even. The tax abatement stuff sounds gross but not surprising.

(There are other forms of subsidy than this list would show, though! So, yeah, always going to be an argument.)

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by varjag »

slim wrote: post #55
bojan wrote: post #44

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> Deep down, we're an annoyingly arrogant little country with delusions of grandeur salivating at the thought to prove to our EU neighbors how strong we meant it when we said we would accept to oppose the US in case of military attack and I think they knew we may actually mean it and not back down when it start (see also: Denmark leak about how France was essentially willing to provide whatever to help defend Greenla…

If Mélenchon wins it will evolve to an even stronger stance against imperialism. He is labeled "anti-american"

The imperialism Europe suffers from in reality is not American and he's entirely on board with that.

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Post by spwa4 »

dinfinity wrote: post #123
spwa4 wrote: post #119

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The trivial example is the rules about selling weapons directly, so as a very simple example of this you could take: https://www.brusselstimes.com/153970/wallonia-faces-new-chal... But this is the one-component-is-the-weapon, with everything going in one direction version of such a rule. An F35 has 300,000 components from 19 countries, so you can imagine what a maze the agreements for that one are. It's also not just…

Your link is about limiting the sales of Belgian weapons on the basis of Belgian legislation.

A quick Google search will find you plenty of European legislation. And you should look at those laws like the Belgian laws here, like they were a company "Values" document. That is how the EU/Belgium (and other countries) react "by default", but specific treaties explicitly create exceptions to those rules between specific parties.

So like this: exporting guns and ammo is certainly not something any country allows their companies to do, but most/all countries make specific exceptions in treaties.

This just happens to have the advantage that it makes it extremely easy for politicians to deceive voters about weapons. "Belgian law says it's illegal to export weapons". 100% technically true, and totally misdirects people into believing Belgium doesn't export weapons, which is absolutely false.

Meanwhile, Belgium exports ~50 million euros worth of weapons. But Belgium is just an example, it's not like the Netherlands or France or (definitely) UK, or the EU as a whole are different.

Re: Isar Aerospace reaches orbit and deploys payloads on second flight

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Post by usrusr »

KPGv2 wrote: post #104
gagan2020 wrote: post #7

There will be some chain reaction up there in near future, in our lifetime only. Congratulation to the team. These milestones are necessary to advancement of human race as we need new planets to occupy. But, we needed clear path going forward. I am both pro to advancement but with caution kind of guy.

> These milestones are necessary to advancement of human race as we need new planets to occupy. We can't even positively terraform Earth to stop the climate crisis here. Why does anyone think we need to be terraforming elsewhere? Just terraform here!!! Make the planet we are on more hospitable to human life! It's not like we're running out of space, and the global population is about to start dropping.

I tend to share that position, but there's one counter argument that's not without merit at all: too much to lose. Even the worst climate change outcome would be less bad than the outcome of climate change plus some botched radical fix attempt could be.

Mars on the other hand, what's the worst that could happen? Someone writing the Coca Cola logotype across the red?

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