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'People are going to get screwed' Pennsylvania voters unite against data centres

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Re: 'People are going to get screwed' Pennsylvania voters unite against data centres

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Post by estearum »

luxuryballs wrote: post #189
estearum wrote: post #57

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Yeah, all these stupid little municipalities have to do is shit they've literally never had to do before while getting sued out of their socks by literal trillion dollar companies. That's all it takes for them to do their part in generating gargantuan amounts of value for people who live 1,000 miles away and their uberwealthy hardly-human CEOs and investors.

what is it that they have to do? I'm still confused as to what is causing the water to change

Have you considered Googling? Or is this the type of curiosity that one just offloads to others?

https://fieldreport.caes.uga.edu/publications/TP121/how-data...

Re: 'People are going to get screwed' Pennsylvania voters unite against data centres

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #59
kerhackernews wrote: post #2

Really the main issue causing the data center backlash is because they aren't building new 100% green energy production capacity with it. When you drop a data center into an area, energy prices will spike. Additionally, without that green energy capacity they will cause much more air pollution.

Just a man on the street here—I sense it's more a backlash against tech-bros in general. People are seeing the world getting worse from tech and they're taking their pitchforks to the data centers and Flock cameras. (Of course I might simply be projecting.)

Not to disagree, but I suspect there wouldn't be such a backlash if the same people were building parks/forests/playgrounds etc. There are valid issues around datacentres although they might be getting bad press because of their association with tech-bros.

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Post by ipdashc »

wood_spirit wrote: post #198
ipdashc wrote: post #195

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> They should be underground (that’s not shockingly expensive at the scale we talk about) ... I'm not sure you realize the size of a modern hyperscale datacenter? They're pretty dang big. The amount of earthmoving to bury one would also be awful for the environment. There's really no need to complicate it that much, they're big warehouses full of computers, just shove them on some unused industrial land somewhere as…

Yes i didn’t mean deep. Berms and roof gardens can completely hide them.

Sure, that's much more feasible, but there's no real point. We don't do this for any other kind of industrial infrastructure (except the kind that HAS to go in residential areas, like utility substations). It's like the ultimate first world problem, spending money and gas on earthmoving so that the few dozen people who might occasionally drive past this thing can glance at a grassy berm instead of a concrete wall.

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Post by [deleted] »

lordgilman wrote: post #123
ratelimitsteve wrote: post #100

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>your evidence for increasing energy prices it's my power bill, dude. and everyone else's around me. your paper stops measuring that data right at the time when everyone's bills started increasing sharply.

There's a global market for energy. What you see at the pump translates into electricity prices in a slow and grinding process. Remember that most of our electricity is not generated from renewable sources! Three years ago Russia invaded Ukraine, that pushed up fuel prices and electricity prices have followed. Now, we have the Iran war and that will push up electricity prices even more. The issue here is that you do…

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Re: 'People are going to get screwed' Pennsylvania voters unite against data centres

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Post by redwood »

iamnothere wrote: post #39
redwood wrote: post #13

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No a big part is that the buildings are ugly and transform the character of a place that folks grew up in. Maybe focus should be put on beautifying these buildings in some way

I don’t see how they are any uglier than any other industrial facility. That’s really what these are and it’s how they should be viewed. Typically most people don’t want to live next door to a factory, but there are some places where it’s appropriate to build them, often remote land or former industrial sites (brownfields) where you don’t want housing due to previous contamination.

Sure any massive structure going to formally farm country will elicit a negative reaction

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Post by muddi900 »

convolvatron wrote: post #179
muddi900 wrote: post #158

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This is not a culture war issue. And there are people posting real data ITT.

it certainly seems to be. if it were just a matter of noise, or discharging contaminated water, or waste gasses we're supposed to have rules for these things. any facility that does these things is supposed to adhere to them. so the issue isn't about data centers at all, but the fact that we've decided to stop enforcing even minimal environmental standards. water consumption is another one, we just haven't done a ver…

Ok where are all three that satisfy your last paragraph requirements?

Re: 'People are going to get screwed' Pennsylvania voters unite against data centres

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Post by lenkite »

postalrat wrote: post #23
triceratops wrote: post #16

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Can they build it safely as fast as the data center it's meant to power? Full steam ahead then.

It can be a little later. Your requirements is like demanding nobody can buy a house unless they have pay they entire amount upfront.

> It can be a little later. Your requirements is like demanding nobody can buy a house unless they have pay they entire amount upfront.

Have data center companies mortgaged their property to the public and paying interest on "power loans" monthly ? Please correct me if I am ignorant.

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