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Perception, absolutely yes.
And physical, objective reality, too.
Start paying closer attention to the news and make note of when facts are cherry picked to suit sentiment… and then ask yourself where the origin of the sentiment is.
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What an aggressive way to interact with people. Do you need a nap? Do you? Instead of replying to your rather silly question I’ll just point to this sibling which I’ll co-sign: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49568295
It is deeply funny to me that my asking a rhetorical question and using a little italics triggered you while "So, you can scream fake news all you want, but..." earned not a single complaint. Perhaps I just struck a nerve.
As a Pennsylvanian I think this is idiotic and I completely blame the press, who have breathlesslly amplified baseless negative claims. Such as that datacenters are somehow bad for the environment, have negative impacts on water supply, will raise energy and water rates for residential customers, etc. I HATE that this is somehow becoming a culture war issue.
If people were just honest with their objections, then we could be unified, but currently we're fighting misinformation that are trying to stop 5MW computer closets and projects that are trying to be a drop in replacement for a _steel mill_ (which should be an automatic approval)
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Why do you get to choose what is and isn’t legitimate?
there's a really special type of crowd to whom you can say "People staying alive is good" and their response is "SOURCE??!!!"
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They should be popular - they pay property taxes to the local schools without taking much from the community at all. (note that I'm coming out against the all too common tax breaks that they get to build in your city)
They should be underground (that’s not shockingly expensive at the scale we talk about) and a net green-energy-driven power producer which they give away for free and pay property taxes. The list of things they could do that would be a cheap 1-2% of the total build and running costs to soften it are long.
... I'm not sure you realize the size of a modern hyperscale datacenter? They're pretty dang big.
The amount of earthmoving to bury one would also be awful for the environment. There's really no need to complicate it that much, they're big warehouses full of computers, just shove them on some unused industrial land somewhere as is already being done.
They should be required to pay for new renewable generation, I agree. That much is common sense.
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> When everyone's asleep? Serious doubt, please show your sources. Lot of industry, especialy heavy industry, chemical plants are running 24/7. For expensive night prices see electricity prices in Europe, expensive natural gas, coal power production with carbom tax. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/DE/live/fifteen_min...
> Lot of industry, especialy heavy industry, chemical plants are running 24/7. Right...so they also run during the day (that's what 24/7 means), when everyone else is using electricity. At night they're the only users. Which means less demand at night compared to the day. > see electricity prices in Europe This article is about Pennsylvania. That isn't in Europe.
You are right, PJM grid is coal, nuclear and gas dominated.
https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/US-MIDA-PJM/live/fi...
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> Lot of industry, especialy heavy industry, chemical plants are running 24/7. Right...so they also run during the day (that's what 24/7 means), when everyone else is using electricity. At night they're the only users. Which means less demand at night compared to the day. > see electricity prices in Europe This article is about Pennsylvania. That isn't in Europe.
> This article is about Pennsylvania You are right, PJM grid is coal, nuclear and gas dominated. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/US-MIDA-PJM/live/fi...
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They should be underground (that’s not shockingly expensive at the scale we talk about) and a net green-energy-driven power producer which they give away for free and pay property taxes. The list of things they could do that would be a cheap 1-2% of the total build and running costs to soften it are long.
> They should be underground (that’s not shockingly expensive at the scale we talk about) ... I'm not sure you realize the size of a modern hyperscale datacenter? They're pretty dang big. The amount of earthmoving to bury one would also be awful for the environment. There's really no need to complicate it that much, they're big warehouses full of computers, just shove them on some unused industrial land somewhere as…
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In many places the contraty is true, peak electricity prices are after sunset, during night.
> peak electricity prices are after sunset The famous evening duck curve, when people go home and cook and turn on heating/cooling appliances. California is able to flatten that out with batteries alone. https://eticaag.com/battery-storage-and-the-duck-curve-march... > during night When everyone's asleep? Serious doubt, please show your sources.
* Highest is 14:00 until 18:00 or 21:00
* Lowest is 23:00 or 24:00 until 6:00
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it's the demand delta, not the total demand, that's concerning. Also not all use cases are created equal: using water to keep people alive is legitimate and using water to build a machine that can automatically almost count the number of vowels in a sentence is not legitimate, especially when that usage drives up demand and makes it harder to use water to keep people alive.
Why do you get to choose what is and isn’t legitimate?
Little Red hen, why do you get to choose who get's to eat your bread?