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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by microtonal »

hackyhacky wrote: post #178
monero-xmr wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having bare minimum protections against invalid voters , illegal immigrants or otherwise, is a basic precaution that every country on Earth except America does. The honor system we have here is absurdly lenient. I understand the Democrat desire to oppose everything Trump proposes, but imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person, without any ID check whatsoever. Europeans…

> imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person That's not at all how it works. Typically, you do need to present ID to register. You also need to verify your address on the day of voting. If someone does commit fraud, it's easy to detect: as soon as the real voter tries to vote, the system will detect a "double vote." The fact that this almost never happens suggests that t…

many people eligible to vote do not have the requisite ID and are unlikely to get it

Just trying to understand as a non-American: which people are eligible to vote, but are unlikely to get an ID?

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by gspr »

monero-xmr wrote: post #163
mrj wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's spent years telling his supporters not to vote by mail. So during the election when there are problems with the mail, those will primarily affect the other party. That's enough to steal an election without more steps.

Having bare minimum protections against invalid voters , illegal immigrants or otherwise, is a basic precaution that every country on Earth except America does. The honor system we have here is absurdly lenient. I understand the Democrat desire to oppose everything Trump proposes, but imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person, without any ID check whatsoever. Europeans…

The comparison to western European countries doesn't hold up. Speaking from Norway: yes, it's true you have to provide ID to vote, both in national and local elections. The difference is that obtaining ID is trivial, to the point where essentially everyone here legally has ID. I wouldn't be surprised if the most common way for someone not to have ID would literally be "all of it was in my luggage and the airline lost it", or some similar very temporary state. In the US, the people who do have ID do not even form a representative sample of the population as far as I understand

I can't speak for the Americans, but I would imagine there'd be far less liberal pushback against voter ID if everyone could trivially obtain it.

How's this for a compromise: republicans get voter ID laws, in return for a national, bipartisanly monitored program to ensure that anyone who wants it can trivially obtain ID. Once that's realized, the voter ID laws can kick in?

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by vkou »

cogman10 wrote: post #49

Regardless what anyone thinks about the security of voting in the US. I'd hope that they could see how massively upending multiple states' voting systems 2 months before the midterms is a really bad idea. Even with the best intentions, implementing such a sweeping untested change so rapidly is a horrible idea. (No, I don't support it regardless, but surely even if you do you could recognize that the timeframe is way…

This isn't a 'bad idea', this is a blatant attempt to at election fraud.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by kulahan »

ycombinete wrote: post #176
kulahan wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s worth mentioning that destroying the USPS has been a largely bipartisan effort, for reasons I cannot understand. Edit: when the PAEA passed in 2006, it had 410 “yes” votes. Not a single democrat, and only 20 republicans voted no. This was, and still is, the primary reason the USPS is no longer able to function.

That's a global thing. Postal services are very expensive public services . Low hanging fruit for cost savings.

That's the crazy thing about the US. Our postal service is, for some reason, not funded by taxpayer dollars, but also not allowed to run a profit, they are not allowed to change prices without congressional approval, and they must fund their pension for 75 years - well beyond any requirement anyone else in the US faces, to include both federal agencies and private orgs. If they didn't have that last requirement, they'd be solvent.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by earth-tattoo »

skybrian wrote: post #80

I'm wondering how easy the USPS is to route around. In California's last election, there were 2,758 drop-box locations and 3,546 polling locations. In cities, these are often within walking distance. In rural areas, they might not be so convenient. So it seems like, at least for returning ballots, any USPS snafus would affect rural voters (which skew Republican) more than urban? Delivering is another question. I wond…

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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by teh_infallible »

gspr wrote: post #182
monero-xmr wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having bare minimum protections against invalid voters , illegal immigrants or otherwise, is a basic precaution that every country on Earth except America does. The honor system we have here is absurdly lenient. I understand the Democrat desire to oppose everything Trump proposes, but imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person, without any ID check whatsoever. Europeans…

The comparison to western European countries doesn't hold up. Speaking from Norway: yes, it's true you have to provide ID to vote, both in national and local elections. The difference is that obtaining ID is trivial , to the point where essentially everyone here legally has ID. I wouldn't be surprised if the most common way for someone not to have ID would literally be "all of it was in my luggage and the airline los…

You need an ID to drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, board a plane. And people manage to do all those things.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by samstokes »

earth-tattoo wrote: post #183

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This is misleading. It's true that you get a ballot, but it's a provisional ballot. Your eligibility to vote gets checked during the counting process.

The process is described on the same website you linked to: https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter-registration/same-day...

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by hiddencost »

rg2004 wrote: post #133

Given that they are dedicated to causing chaos in the midterms, how is it best countered? Whisper campaigns to tell all your friends to vote in person? When he loses, what stops him from putting troops in the streets? Is the recourse just wait until he goes? We all see what's happening, how do we meet the moment?

I'm skeptical that the federal government can be saved. I suspect we will experience a process of balkanization.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by dboreham »

skybrian wrote: post #103
hyperhello wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the procedures are designed to reject more votes in blue areas, just like the procedures that somehow conclude that people named Williams, John, or Washington should be dropped from the rolls for being similarly named as other people named Williams, John, or Washington.

But suppose there are states that don't cooperate with that?

The postal service is run by the federal government.
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