Considering a mail-in ballot gets rid of ballot secrecy anyway, I don't see why they don't just allow online ballots cast with login.gov or whatever.
Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why would you invoke planes? I already told you why planes are relevant. It sounds like you really don't know what survivorship bias is at all. Please read the article [1]. Why are you in such a hurry to a discuss a topic that you don't understand? Applying survivorship bias to the current "invisible fraud" situation is putting the cart before the horse. > I'm merely wondering why a system where it's difficult to a…
it has been amusing watching you try to pretend that you knew what survivorship bias was. first you assumed it had something to do with death. then you invoked the plane anecdote. now you link the wikipedia without realizing that over 90% of it has nothing to do with planes. > Before attempting to attribute fraud, one must first determine that it exists. this is an assertion not an argument. I suppose there is no fur…
My brother in Christ, you are projecting so hard it hurts. The comment that I responded to simply said "Survivorship bias" in response to a question about only Republicans getting caught doing voter fraud. Your attempt to theorize fraud by imposing the a priori notion of survivorship bias makes no sense. Survivorship bias is an error only when some data points do not "survive", i.e. are excluded from counting. The presuppose the latter part without evidence.
> this is an assertion not an argument
What part of the statement "Before attempting to attribute fraud, one must first determine that it exists." do you disagree with? You are starting from the assumption that fraud exists, then creating a fantasy explanation about who is committing it, without any factual basis at all.
Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
He's spent years telling his supporters not to vote by mail. So during the election when there are problems with the mail, those will primarily affect the other party. That's enough to steal an election without more steps.
Having bare minimum protections against invalid voters , illegal immigrants or otherwise, is a basic precaution that every country on Earth except America does. The honor system we have here is absurdly lenient. I understand the Democrat desire to oppose everything Trump proposes, but imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person, without any ID check whatsoever. Europeans…
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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#174What business is it of the USPS except to transmit all mail regardless of purpose? The fact that the USPS would notice elections were being conducted is perverse.
You're missing the bigger picture.
New Mail Voting Rules Moved Forward Despite USPS Officials’ Concerns About Mass Disenfranchisement (https://www.propublica.org/article/mail-voting-usps-official...)
In a March executive order, President Donald Trump directed the Postal Service
to create the new rules, including requiring states to give USPS a list of all
voters eligible to receive a ballot in the mail and requiring USPS to use those
lists to determine which ballots get sent to voters.
USPS officials were tasked with crafting the details of how the new system
would work, including the creation of a new portal for states to upload their
voters’ information and the back-end software that would allow mail delivery
sites and local post offices to track, and potentially block, ballots
entering into the mail on their way to voters.
Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#175> The United States Postal Service has spent months developing a U.S. Federal Ballot Mail Portal to provide election officials with a simple, secure, and efficient way to share lists of individuals receiving ballots by mail in their respective states. Why? Your job is to transfer pieces of mail from one place to another. Just continue that. Everything else is manufacturing a problem where there was none. Edit: Spelli…
>Everything else is manufacturing a problem where there was none.
That's this administrations exact intended purpose for forcing this.
Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
And when it all goes to shit, they can just use that as evidence that mail-in voting shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place. It is the same tired but sadly effective Republican playbook: take a mostly functioning if imperfect system, break it beyond repair under the guise of fixing or reforming it, use the ongoing disaster to argue that it should be dismantled, rinse and repeat until it’s unsalvageable.
It’s worth mentioning that destroying the USPS has been a largely bipartisan effort, for reasons I cannot understand. Edit: when the PAEA passed in 2006, it had 410 “yes” votes. Not a single democrat, and only 20 republicans voted no. This was, and still is, the primary reason the USPS is no longer able to function.
That's a global thing. Postal services are very expensive public services. Low hanging fruit for cost savings.
Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
He's spent years telling his supporters not to vote by mail. So during the election when there are problems with the mail, those will primarily affect the other party. That's enough to steal an election without more steps.
Having bare minimum protections against invalid voters , illegal immigrants or otherwise, is a basic precaution that every country on Earth except America does. The honor system we have here is absurdly lenient. I understand the Democrat desire to oppose everything Trump proposes, but imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person, without any ID check whatsoever. Europeans…
> But why not just... require ID to vote?
Among other things, consider https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-...
> The lack of verification is the exact reason why the lies continue
I think the evidence suggests they are not particularly constrained by reality? Recall "They're eating the cats and dogs."
Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
He's spent years telling his supporters not to vote by mail. So during the election when there are problems with the mail, those will primarily affect the other party. That's enough to steal an election without more steps.
Having bare minimum protections against invalid voters , illegal immigrants or otherwise, is a basic precaution that every country on Earth except America does. The honor system we have here is absurdly lenient. I understand the Democrat desire to oppose everything Trump proposes, but imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person, without any ID check whatsoever. Europeans…
> imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person
That's not at all how it works. Typically, you do need to present ID to register. You also need to verify your address on the day of voting. If someone does commit fraud, it's easy to detect: as soon as the real voter tries to vote, the system will detect a "double vote." The fact that this almost never happens suggests that there is not much fraud, if any. And the amount of fraud required to actually change an election result with this method would require a concerted effort of tens of thousands of people, all risking federal prosecution.
> that is literally the American system.
No. Please stop misrepresenting the facts.
> But why not just... require ID to vote?
There are lots of good reasons, which you are probably already aware of, including the fact that many people eligible to vote do not have the requisite ID and are unlikely to get it. My litmus test for supporting voter ID is that it is accompanied by (a) free, mandatory, and automatic national ID cards, and (b) national holiday on election days. Republicans won't support part A for their own ideological reasons, and moreover their purported effort to support voter integrity is not sincere: the goal is simply to prevent undesirable (i.e. non-Republican) voters from voting.
Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#179Considering a mail-in ballot gets rid of ballot secrecy anyway, I don't see why they don't just allow online ballots cast with login.gov or whatever.
Mail in ballots don’t get rid of secrecy, unless the system has been tampered with, which you could also do with illegal cameras at in-person voting etc. Anonymous envelope-within-envelope is a pretty standard way to keep secrecy, and many states do it, like mine.
Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
He's spent years telling his supporters not to vote by mail. So during the election when there are problems with the mail, those will primarily affect the other party. That's enough to steal an election without more steps.
Having bare minimum protections against invalid voters , illegal immigrants or otherwise, is a basic precaution that every country on Earth except America does. The honor system we have here is absurdly lenient. I understand the Democrat desire to oppose everything Trump proposes, but imagine if in The Netherlands you can waltz in and say you are this person or that person, without any ID check whatsoever. Europeans…
Literally, what the fuck are you talking about.
As in, please be more specific with your claims that we don't require identification to vote.
Because it strikes me as a very low effort Fox News talking point, not any reality.
Most states allow you to cast a provisional ballot on polling Day without an ID, but require that you return and present an ID to accept it.
But no state is accepting votes without identifying the voter. They just vary somewhat in what alternatives they accept.
Compare your statement to the info here and come back with something better: https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state
I have never voted without being required to present gov issued ID. Ever.