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Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by blks »

iLemming wrote: post #131
sarchertech wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way I can read what they wrote to mean that is if they are saying water costs $30-40 a gallon.

Have you never used a garden hose? Do you know that a regular, average hose left running overnight can waste like 5,000 gallons of water? My HOA enforces a rule - you must keep at least two trees per household. Trees need water. Not that much, of course, I shared the overnight hose number just for the sense of measure. Now you do the math - couple of trees, bathrooms, showering, drinking, cooking - that water usage a…

Trees don’t grow otherwise in that area? Like if you would stop watering, will they die? Future proof solution could be selling and buying somewhere where climate change won’t hit as hard, eg north, but I guess not everyone can afford that, and cooler regions may not offer sufficient sustenance or infrastructure like schools and jobs.

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Post by blks »

Aurornis wrote: post #146
iLemming wrote: post #6

We're getting cooked. I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills - AC's running non-stop. That's crazy, because I live in the area where you can't even walk to buy a piece of bread - we drive all the time. I fully expect for businesses very soon to operate at night. Costco, Walmart, groceries, even libraries will be working all night in places like Ariz…

> I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills Comparing ratios of bills is confusing. This statement would be unsurprising if you drove 10 miles per week in a Prius. It would be very confusing if you were filling up your tank every week and spending $1000/month on a water bill.

How much water usually cost in dryer regions of USA?

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by blks »

iLemming wrote: post #161
0n0n0m0uz wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libraries in SW Colorado were packed! Alot of people just using the AC since most houses dont even have it

A few years ago (before wildfires forced us to move), we were in the East Bay of San Francisco. East Bay gets unusually hot - the mountain range prevents cool winds from the ocean passing over. Summer was extreme, the AC couldn't keep up, we had to hose the outer walls every evening, just to cool it a bit. One day we woke up, had breakfast and the power line had failed. I quickly imagined what happens if it lasts mor…

This reads like a very good dramatic catastrophy movie. This is very alarming.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by kakwa_ »

slashdev wrote: post #126
folkrav wrote: post #66

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Maybe this country focusing so much on keeping the gas cheap might have something to do with it.

US emissions have declined 18% since 2005. Look at Asia.

Both sides of the equation need to be solved.

The US is still one of the leading CO2 emitters, both per capita and in absolute terms. And for cumulative past emissions, it's not even close.

The expectation is not a mere 18% decrease but something closer to halving emissions just to be on a per capita level comparable to the EU or China.

It doesn't mean China doesn't need to make efforts. China's emissions are yet to be stabilized.

But the US need to make their share, and at least honor and (re-)ratify past climate agreements, if anything to dampen the economic arms race between China and the US.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by timr »

andsoitis wrote: post #67
timr wrote: post #24

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Yes, but it’s not uniform at all. The paper shows cooling in some parts of the north, and heating in the southern latitudes, along with significant variations by depth. There’s a lot of nuance in this stuff - far more than global average surface temperature (which is primarily good for scary headlines) and “fish don’t have AC”.

Do you think the general statement “ocean temperatures are rising” is misleading?

No, but it's so vague that it's meaningless.

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Post by timr »

2legit2quit wrote: post #69
timr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it’s not uniform at all. The paper shows cooling in some parts of the north, and heating in the southern latitudes, along with significant variations by depth. There’s a lot of nuance in this stuff - far more than global average surface temperature (which is primarily good for scary headlines) and “fish don’t have AC”.

> Yes, but it’s not uniform at all. Translation: " I expect all areas to be affected the same, despite axial tilt, fluid dynamics, etc. "

No. Not everyone boils everything down to a sophomoric take.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by adammarples »

iLemming wrote: post #131
sarchertech wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way I can read what they wrote to mean that is if they are saying water costs $30-40 a gallon.

Have you never used a garden hose? Do you know that a regular, average hose left running overnight can waste like 5,000 gallons of water? My HOA enforces a rule - you must keep at least two trees per household. Trees need water. Not that much, of course, I shared the overnight hose number just for the sense of measure. Now you do the math - couple of trees, bathrooms, showering, drinking, cooking - that water usage a…

If you live in what sounds like the desert and you're constantly watering your trees, it might be the case that you've picked non-native species that don't handle heat well. Check out the crime pays but botany doesn't on YouTube, he does a lot of videos about this, people in Texas etc planting English oaks and needing to water them all the time while native species are ignored or cut down because they're "messy".

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Post by MrSkelter »

iLemming wrote: post #6

We're getting cooked. I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills - AC's running non-stop. That's crazy, because I live in the area where you can't even walk to buy a piece of bread - we drive all the time. I fully expect for businesses very soon to operate at night. Costco, Walmart, groceries, even libraries will be working all night in places like Ariz…

I am currently in London. I have run AC every night since May in order to sleep. The interior of my new build luxury apartment in the financial district is routinely over 30°C during the day and can’t be cooled below that even with the windows covered and the (portable) AC running.

At the turn of the century the CIA predicted climate change and water being the primary drivers of conflict in the 20s.

We are already seeing the US deposing Venezuela’s government and taking their energy as US’s intentional fossil fuel dependency bites.

Things will only get worse unless radical changes are made. We have to move faster than the skeptics and entrenched interests desire.

To save the planet some people are going to lose their wealth power and position. Despite their protestations it’s entirely logical, just and necessary.

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Post by Timon3 »

blks wrote: post #180
iLemming wrote: post #6

We're getting cooked. I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills - AC's running non-stop. That's crazy, because I live in the area where you can't even walk to buy a piece of bread - we drive all the time. I fully expect for businesses very soon to operate at night. Costco, Walmart, groceries, even libraries will be working all night in places like Ariz…

Better solution would be migration and building and expanding cities. I have huge doubts current systems will be able to or even consider to tackle catastrophic problems that are 10-20-30 years ahead, huge public investments, forcing capital to share too, drain dry all the oil biz. Instead it will be free for all

But what will be the safe places people could migrate to? I'm not sure we can really predict this, especially since the least affected locations are going to be the ones everybody will be interested in. And given the ramping-up xenophobia I can't imagine climate refugees suddenly being welcomed with open arms...

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Post by WarmWash »

wk_end wrote: post #103
WarmWash wrote: post #78

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The right thinks it's a hoax and the left thinks it's on corporations (not themselves) to fix it. To put it plainly, everyone wants the problem to go away without having to change anything about their lifestyle.

“Both-sides”ing this is ridiculous. Certain leftists might sometimes disproportionally blame corporations for the issue rhetorically but they aren’t broadly opposed to the kinds of taxes and regulations - on corporations or individuals - that would be needed to bring carbon emissions down. If you insist on finding a way to criticize leftists on the climate file, a much better tack would be pointing out how some envir…

The next two replys are people telling me it's corporations...

Maybe 10ish years ago the left was all on board with individual action, but now it has heavily shifted to "I can drive my SUV because it's on Big Oil to fix the climate"

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