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Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by tito »

uncomputation wrote: post #5

Maybe I am pessimistic but it seems no one cares about climate change these days. All of Los Angeles is sweltering now. Just pointing fingers and dropping individual names while the world continues to heat slowly. Any suggestions to get involved are welcome, I don’t want to be just a complainer.

Come join our El Niño session on Wednesday with Stripe's climate scientist Zeke Hausfather: https://luma.com/tu0uvbx1

We'll talk climate science, impacts, and what we can do to avert the worst impacts of the worst El Niño in human history.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #46
SoftTalker wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you can but you'll have to vote against your immediate self interest and comfort. The sort of changes that will have an impact on the climate will mean giving up a lot of what makes modern life convenient and comfortable.

I think there are gradients to this It would be hard for me to vote against indoor plumbing if that was needed to save the planet I would vote against "Same Day Delivery" in a heartbeat though, if it helped

Best the corresponding parties can do is banning plastic straws (no impact but feels great) and massive bureaucratic hurdles for air conditioning in private homes (because it's an "unnecessary luxury" and if your apartment is unbearably hot during a heat wave where the temperature doesn't drop below 25 even at night, you're just not correctly using shades and windows).

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by OgsyedIE »

wolvoleo wrote: post #70
OgsyedIE wrote: post #27

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There's also a prisoner's dilemma situation. Suppose you're some wealthy media magnate promoting culture war distractions from your portfolio of asset strippers and polluters, thinking of defecting to team decency. That hypothetical you can look around at the rest of the global political class and see that the rest of the establishment will destroy the livability of the biosphere whether that hypothetical you starts…

Why would investing in green tech make you poor? That's what's wrong with that argument. Moving away from fossil fuels is cheaper. Green energy is very cheap, it just misses a base load component right now. It's just that the people benefiting are different ones. And those people are going to lose sooner or later anyway, because in addition to climate change, fossil fuels are also finite. The only reason trump is on…

The optimal strategy for short term oligarchic revenue maximisation is a mixed strategy of mostly fossil fuels with some green tech.

The optimal strategy for long term biosphere habitability is a mixed strategy of mostly green tech with a tiny amount of fossil fuels exclusively for those metal smelting roles where arc furnaces and biofuels are unsuitable.

Investment portfolios dominated by technology that lifts everybody up are less profitable than greedy choices of risky investment, per some of the finer details of the mutual fund separation theorem.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by sarchertech »

edoceo wrote: post #80
sarchertech wrote: post #61

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> I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas Are you irrigating an enormous yard?

Maybe they mean consumption is the same but price is up.

The only way I can read what they wrote to mean that is if they are saying water costs $30-40 a gallon.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by taneq »

sarchertech wrote: post #61
iLemming wrote: post #6

We're getting cooked. I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills - AC's running non-stop. That's crazy, because I live in the area where you can't even walk to buy a piece of bread - we drive all the time. I fully expect for businesses very soon to operate at night. Costco, Walmart, groceries, even libraries will be working all night in places like Ariz…

> I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas Are you irrigating an enormous yard?

Or driving a small, economical car?

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by tito »

SoftTalker wrote: post #11
shikshake wrote: post #8

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Get politically involved, vote and and volunteer for local pro-climate candidates. Talk about and promote public transport, cycling, better zoning and infrastructure etc. People underestimate the power of local politics. On a macro scale all you can really do is vote for national level candidates that care about these issues. Luckily it’s not hard to see which ones do and which ones don’t.

Individually you can't do anything. You can drive an EV, set your AC to 78, or whatever makes you feel good but only national governments can make the regulatory changes that will really have an impact. I even roll my eyes at my city council spending even one second on climate change policy (and they have spent whole meetings on it). Our city of 80,000 people could disappear from the face of the planet and it would n…

Working at the level of 80,000 people is a lot more effective than working at the level of an individual.

Working on your own carbon footprint is a $100M marketing trick played on you by oil companies like BP.

Leah Stokes' new book offers instead a "carbon wave" -- how to evaluate and maximize your impact at a local, state, national, and global level. Here's a LinkedIn post. She's got a new book coming out about this: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:share:7496265286...

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by acwan93 »

amluto wrote: post #50
uncomputation wrote: post #5

Maybe I am pessimistic but it seems no one cares about climate change these days. All of Los Angeles is sweltering now. Just pointing fingers and dropping individual names while the world continues to heat slowly. Any suggestions to get involved are welcome, I don’t want to be just a complainer.

> All of Los Angeles is sweltering now. I think that, if people who believe in climate change want to be convincing, it would be more effective to avoid blaming specific instances of weather on climate change without strong justification. Especially when the weather isn’t even abnormal. Los Angeles, especially inland and in the valley, is hot in the summer. It was hot in the summer 30 years ago and it’s still hot in…

You’re correct that LA is usually hot (95F+) this time of year, but the humidity is what’s abnormal. The dew point in Disneyland was higher than in Disney World yesterday due to a tropical storm that dissipated west of the LA basin.

More tropical storms are approaching LA and that’s increasing humidity is why it’s sweltering.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by taneq »

tito wrote: post #81
uncomputation wrote: post #5

Maybe I am pessimistic but it seems no one cares about climate change these days. All of Los Angeles is sweltering now. Just pointing fingers and dropping individual names while the world continues to heat slowly. Any suggestions to get involved are welcome, I don’t want to be just a complainer.

Come join our El Niño session on Wednesday with Stripe's climate scientist Zeke Hausfather: https://luma.com/tu0uvbx1 We'll talk climate science, impacts, and what we can do to avert the worst impacts of the worst El Niño in human history.

It’s a thing you can avert? Or do you mean one in the far future which we might avert by reducing carbon emissions now?

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by tito »

timnetworks wrote: post #38

The planet started out a ball of molten stardust, completely inhospitable to life as we know it. But then there was not only life, but life detached from the ground too. Then K-T event wiped out almost all of it. But the planet kept going! It can be argued it got better and more diverse. Are people in trouble? Perhaps. If we stop technological achievement in the name of a few degrees centigrade, then definitely.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes ^_^

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by tito »

taneq wrote: post #88
tito wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come join our El Niño session on Wednesday with Stripe's climate scientist Zeke Hausfather: https://luma.com/tu0uvbx1 We'll talk climate science, impacts, and what we can do to avert the worst impacts of the worst El Niño in human history.

It’s a thing you can avert? Or do you mean one in the far future which we might avert by reducing carbon emissions now?

Whoops, my bad. Edited. We can avert the worst impacts of the worst El Nino in human history.
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