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Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Maybe I am pessimistic but it seems no one cares about climate change these days. All of Los Angeles is sweltering now. Just pointing fingers and dropping individual names while the world continues to heat slowly. Any suggestions to get involved are welcome, I don’t want to be just a complainer.

The right thinks it's a hoax and the left thinks it's on corporations (not themselves) to fix it. To put it plainly, everyone wants the problem to go away without having to change anything about their lifestyle.

> and the left thinks it's on corporations (not themselves)

Of course... Every year where the consequences weren't in sight, saying we should consume less, buy less, eat less meat, I have been called 'degrowther' and it has been explained to me that I would increase human suffering because it would reduce the economy size. Ok, fair, I just wanted to help future human, but if you don't plan to have any, you do you.

Now I'm told I think it's corporations that should fix it. Of course.

By the way, I still think it's consumerism (and consumption capitalism) the reason we can't deal with the issue. That corporations are the biggest voice that push for this system is incidental, but yes, breaking big corps in smaller entities would probably help solve the problem. A bit too late now, but better than never.

Also, who on the left think that corpos will do anything to help humanity? Really? I think at most, some thinks it's the government to do everything but corpo? Really? Your friends on the left seems to me very, very much in the center, center right to be exact.

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Maybe this country focusing so much on keeping the gas cheap might have something to do with it.

US emissions have declined 18% since 2005. Look at Asia.

China built more solar in 2025 than the US has in total. Meanwhile trump ripping up wind and solar builds.

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lol. What a first world problem to have. Sounds like a very solvable problem too (remove the pool then)

Thank you captain. I'm sure this would greatly reduce the climate change effects. Doing it posthaste - the world needs saving.

Tragedy of the commons.

It's not just you. It's you + the millions of people using the same "I'm a unique snowflake" logic.

If 8 billion people can't do it, maybe consider not doing it.

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The right thinks it's a hoax and the left thinks it's on corporations (not themselves) to fix it. To put it plainly, everyone wants the problem to go away without having to change anything about their lifestyle.

For most individuals there is no lifestyle change they can make that will matter. Fixing it requires collective action. The way individuals can meaningfully contribute is by supporting politicians that will make policies and rules and regulations the meaningfully encourage that collective action, and when they have a choice between more than one corporation for some product or service that are not too different as fa…

> For most individuals there is no lifestyle change they can make that will matter. Fixing it requires collective action.

Sorry but this is absolute nonsense.

What we eat matters. A huge amount of what people eat is unnecessarily excessive in terms of resources required to create it. Beef and dairy, most meat, are good examples of this.

An individual can reduce their contribution to climate change by up to 30% by simply forgoing meat and dairy. That percentage obviously varies quite a lot, but it can be huge.

Add in that food waste is a huge problem and this makes more sense.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Nuclear has a lot of environmental impact too. You need to mine a lot of earth to get a little uranium, and a lot of that activity is very polluting and a lot of that activity is not climate neutral. Then you have the waste problem that's not figured out, proliferation etc. We can't go cherrypicking environmental problems. That way we roll from one crisis into the next. There's so many issues we're causing, like enti…

Modern lithium batteries or solar panels for that matter don’t get magiced out of nothing. Those materials are mined also. At least forethought is given to handling/disposal for nuclear since it’s a known issue.

Well yes but lithium is easily recycled and solar panels are made from sand and nowhere near rare earth.

See how the soviets destroyed half the Czech countryside looking for Uranium for their bombs and power plants: https://www.rferl.org/a/soviet-uranium-mines-explored-abando...

Uranium mining is a dirty business and if we're going to be needing a lot more of it due to expansion of nuclear and leaving the mining to the lowest bidder it will be very polluting.

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Nuclear has a lot of environmental impact too. You need to mine a lot of earth to get a little uranium, and a lot of that activity is very polluting and a lot of that activity is not climate neutral. Then you have the waste problem that's not figured out, proliferation etc. We can't go cherrypicking environmental problems. That way we roll from one crisis into the next. There's so many issues we're causing, like enti…

I think you missed the point of the nuclear tangent. The point was that people might be reluctant to build out energy storage capacity before demand appears because of what happened last time. The difference is that climate change is more predictable than the economy.

Well demand is pretty much a given now with AI, so I think either way this is not an issue. We will want all the power we can generate.

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The right thinks it's a hoax and the left thinks it's on corporations (not themselves) to fix it. To put it plainly, everyone wants the problem to go away without having to change anything about their lifestyle.

“Both-sides”ing this is ridiculous. Certain leftists might sometimes disproportionally blame corporations for the issue rhetorically but they aren’t broadly opposed to the kinds of taxes and regulations - on corporations or individuals - that would be needed to bring carbon emissions down. If you insist on finding a way to criticize leftists on the climate file, a much better tack would be pointing out how some envir…

> some environmentalists have opposed nuclear power

At some point we finally will need to admit that they were not fools for saying that.

Fresh water is vanishing. Nuclear plants need water (and absence of arsonists) to not go out of control. They will need ten years (or most) to be built. At this point the place may be in the way to be flooded by the sea, or in the way to became a desert. Can a new nuclear plant return their investment if they will be operative only for ten years more before to turn into a rusty reef?. Probably not.

Had we spent this pile of money into renewables, we would be in a much better position.

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Maybe this country focusing so much on keeping the gas cheap might have something to do with it.

US emissions have declined 18% since 2005. Look at Asia.

But the sins of out grandgrandpas haven't vanished, and still will need to be paid.

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> I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas Are you irrigating an enormous yard?

No, but I have a pool and it's been drying up below the skimmers, I need to keep the water level or the filtration dies.

A sheet of plastic floating in the surface while you don't use it could help to reduce the evaporation. If is a big pool put some holes here and there to allow air access if somebody or a pet falls into the pool.

Some marginal plants strategically placed and Nymphaeas can shadow the water (reduce the amount of heat that reaches the water), but you would have a very different kind of pool then and they have their own maintenance issues.

If your area allows the culture of columnar cactus and succulents, use it near the pool to provide shadow. They will rarely trow anything into the water and may be beautiful to see by itself. Look for the less vicious species like Euphorbia or Pilosocereus azureus that are strongly vertical while young, refreshing to see (blue is blue) and will not pose any problem if cultured in a wooden raised bed. The idea would be to make a short wall using the cactus as logs placed a few dm apart to allow the wind passing trough. You will need to avoid the access to cats protecting the dirt with a mesh, aizoaceae, gravel or rocks. Allow a lot of space for the roots. A small pot will not really work.

Cactus or succulents allowed to grow on the roof or near the house will act also as fire retardants (but not fire supressors) as they accumulate water.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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We're getting cooked. I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas, and 5-times more on electricity bills - AC's running non-stop. That's crazy, because I live in the area where you can't even walk to buy a piece of bread - we drive all the time. I fully expect for businesses very soon to operate at night. Costco, Walmart, groceries, even libraries will be working all night in places like Ariz…

Better solution would be migration and building and expanding cities. I have huge doubts current systems will be able to or even consider to tackle catastrophic problems that are 10-20-30 years ahead, huge public investments, forcing capital to share too, drain dry all the oil biz. Instead it will be free for all
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