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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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It's super easy for me to claim the title of something I don't like, and then go smash a bunch of property. For example I could call myself a Republican, then smash a bunch of property. Would you then believe republicans are violent property smashers?

There are absolutely right of center people that smash shit up to. Did I say there weren’t? Neither side is free of fools

Are Republicans violent people who smash shit? Is that an accurate statement to make?

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#882

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That wouldn’t excuse an overly harsh, unannounced crackdown (if that’s what happened) that impacts uninvolved political groups. The government is free to decide how it goes about enforcement, as long as it remains within the law, but it needs to defer in the interest of protecting legal political speech, even if it is disfavored speech. This is a normative rather than a legally mandated practice, but it’s important t…

Conspiracy to commit crimes isn't protected political speech, though. If the service was primarily used by radical leftists for election campaigning, that'd be a different story. The Government claims it was for the former.

This was some users of the service, not all. In a case like this, where the entity in question hosts many political groups, the government should try to avoid actions that would affect legal political speech. Notifying the service and giving them a chance to come into compliance (by terminating service to the “terrorist” groups) should be the first step. If this was not done, it’s a problem.

As a separate issue, sanctions are a blunt instrument, and frankly we are overusing them. They are quickly losing effectiveness and this is costing us credibility internationally. It’s also weakening the sanctions tool itself, leaving us with fewer options.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Meanwhile, you find weapon stashes and insurgency plans on what political side?

This is literally the thing you will find when busting groups that have been performing multiple attacks on German electricity and rail infrastructure in the last years. Attacks that results in dead people and are ok with many more dead

This is prob a russian operation to manipulate right wingers by presenting yet another fabricated left wing enemy. Attacks on transportation and electricity grids (and cars and graffiti) are not the same ball park as planed kidnappings and killings. You are just repeating propaganda.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Opposing fascism and racism is not "radical left". It's centrism. The State Department's words are not A/I's.

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> fucking asshole.

> Go fuck yourself, gaslighting piece of shit.

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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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We've banned this account.

Which account - the one who keeps trying to push the idea that anti-fascism is terrorism, and has posted a lot of that sort of thing across different threads, or the one that called that one a bootlicker and hasn't posted anything remotely similar recently?

The whole discussion is a hellscape, and you (should, by now) know that it's not our role to adjudicate on the correctness of anyone's arguments. But “bootlicker” is, by design, one of the most demeaning terms of abuse that ever gets used here, it's not asking much, at all, to expect people to avoid using it. That account has contributed little of substance, so it's not as if there was a track record of earnest participation to suggest that this was a momentary lapse.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

#886

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A movement that openly supports "Palestine" and gets surprise when they get sanctioned.

I still find your comment hard to parse. It's hard to imagine that anyone still supports Palestine in the west? This group's been sanctioned and persecuted and prosecuted on a smaller scale many times for hosting speech. I think this is the biggest so far, but by no means unique.

Someone who supports Palestine should not be surprised finding themselves on the receiving end of every legal trouble. It's perplexing how are they still allowed at all.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

#887

Everyone’s missing the big picture here which is that this targeting of infrastructure providers as “terrorists” is unprecedented and concerning: https://decode39.com/16319/autistici-inventati-case-sets-a-n... If a radical group sets up shop on I2P, are I2P users and devs now terrorists? This is a problem. What about Monero users/devs? Veilid? Tox? Signal?

Why are you leaving out the important details: You can't as an ISP prevent malicious actors from using your service, but you do can assist the government - in the case of the recent attacks on Berlins electricity that caused a fatality the German - to hand over the data to help assist law enforcement. If US state-department's claims [1] are true, did noblogs.org do so – help German authorities track Terrorists or did…

> did they help authorities to track Terrorists or did they cover up?

Nice framing. Binary "either you are with authorities or you are against them", no consideration that "terrorist" is up for courts to decide, not govs or ISPs and that complying-or-not with a legal-or-not order can have many reasons and outcomes. Would you call apple, refusing to decrypt a terror org too? Framing those subjects as terrorists is true darkage backwards reasoning. A/I calls it radical activism, the US gov calls it marxist terrorism. To me, its clear who is more credible.

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#889

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The issue is complicated. Many EU governments care, because Turkey cares, but the problem is that Turkey's position that they're terrorists is legally iffy, so a lot of European courts disagree, and this creates a schizophrenic situation where politicians hold that they're terrorist and will claim that it's the government position, while the actual government position in the courts is that they mostly aren't and that…

I mean, the PKK definitely was a terrorist organization!

Yes, definitely in the 80s.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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No. With dummy messages you are guaranteed that traffic analysis will not be possible. Because you connect to the network, then start sending messages to everybody continuously, a message every second, or every ten seconds, or every 100 seconds, you will, every second, or every ten seconds, or 100 seconds, be able to send a message to whoever you want, and you will not be distinguished in any way from the other netwo…

A problem with sending dummy messages on something like Signal, is that waking up phones unnecessarily is really bad for battery life. It also doesn't work for the voice/video call feature, since that needs to be realtime.

Yes, my system is intended to be used on proper computers. I am not interested in phones at all.
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