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You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by M95D »

brainwad wrote: post #62
9dev wrote: post #26

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Treating the browser's "disable cookies" feature as a way to reject consent is not real consent . That cripples many legitimate use cases outright; it's neither accessible nor understandable by normal users; it's a technical defence measure, not a way to consciously reject contractual consent. In contrast, the GDPR demands that you properly ask for consent if you want to process somebody's personal information, infor…

Most browsers in the 00s had a "always ask" option for cookies. Nobody used it, because it's as annoying as gdpr dialogs now are. But it existed.

I tried to use it, but it didn't remember the "no" answer. Every time I loaded a page, the same confirmation for the same cookie was presented again and again.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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throw8484949ii wrote: post #143
scott_w wrote: post #140

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By “major player” I meant the analytics companies that you pay, not you. > Yet more extra work! If “customer asks me to update my records on them, so I do it,” is too much work then you really shouldn’t be in the business that requires it. > Sounds like work for extra GDPR officer! Or you just ask “what do I need to do?” The official tells you, you do it, they say “thank you.” Seriously, all your answers here tell me…

just because I have small profits, does not mean i sell drugs! (But drug dealer would probably get better deal from police for breaking GDPR). I am worried about several thousands euro fines! I have my own eshop, i do not use "major player"! Too expensive. > Or you just ask “what do I need to do?” The official tells you, you do it, they say “thank you.” And than you get different offical, with different opinion. Thei…

> just because I have small profits, does not mean i sell drugs!

I never said anything about drugs. I’m talking about doing illegal things with people’s data.

> And than you get different offical, with different opinion. Their advice have same weight as weather forecast!

If you’re getting audited this often you are DEFINITELY playing fast and loose with the rules. I have no sympathy for you.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by throw8484949ii »

scott_w wrote: post #152
throw8484949ii wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just because I have small profits, does not mean i sell drugs! (But drug dealer would probably get better deal from police for breaking GDPR). I am worried about several thousands euro fines! I have my own eshop, i do not use "major player"! Too expensive. > Or you just ask “what do I need to do?” The official tells you, you do it, they say “thank you.” And than you get different offical, with different opinion. Thei…

> just because I have small profits, does not mean i sell drugs! I never said anything about drugs. I’m talking about doing illegal things with people’s data. > And than you get different offical, with different opinion. Their advice have same weight as weather forecast! If you’re getting audited this often you are DEFINITELY playing fast and loose with the rules. I have no sympathy for you.

You said "shady shit"! Deleting some data a few days/weeks or months latter too late is not "shady shit"!

You obviously have no idea how business here works! Some gov offical will tell you to delete data for GDPR. Some other gov offical will ask for the same data latter, to prove tax records or people complied with vacine mandates! You get fined from both sides!

Every two years there is a big law reform of some area, while other areas with conflicting laws are still in effects. And small eshops are easy targets for fines. Large corporations are untouchable.

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Post by seba_dos1 »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #128
latexr wrote: post #110

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> But in execution it’s that meme: (…) If you agree with that meme, you’ve fallen for the manipulative narrative of lobbyists¹. Bottle caps are a massive problem (as is plastic in general) on the environment (you know, the thing we all live in) and the regulation is already having an impact. There will be more regulating the uses of plastic. If you don’t know why the bottle caps are so problematic, you live a privile…

I've had the bottle cap in my nose multiple times... nobody's tricking me into not liking it. Yes: I have the privilege of living in a developed 21st century world where I don't need to deal with stuff like this. Proud of it. I'm well past being told to eat my vegetables because children in Africa are starving. The solution is to expand the pie for everybody, not to throw our arms up and return to living in caves in…

> I've had the bottle cap in my nose multiple times...

Are you unfamiliar with the concept of rotating an object?

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Post by yencabulator »

nonethewiser wrote: post #66
marcle wrote: post #52

Tobacco control advocates sometimes referred to a "scream test": the more vigorously the industry opposed a measure, the more likely that the measure was effective.

Yeah but don't tobacco control advocates want to kill the tobacco industry? We don't want to kill the tech industry - surely the tech industry's pain is widely felt sometimes.

Surveillance capitalism is not all of tech.

Surveillance capitalism might die or become unprofitable -- that sounds great.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by yencabulator »

blainm wrote: post #102
ahartmetz wrote: post #91

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TFA talks exclusively about being hated by the right people. If you are only hated by the right people (yes, I made an adjustment there), it's probalby not because you are a jerk. Come on.

Steve Jobs was against the "status quo" of Windows users, hated by "the right people", people that wanted to keep the OS monopoly. So why are you against his management style, do you not want people to succeed? Do you see how the caveat actually does nothing? I steered away from it because "the right people" is highly subjective, especially in a political context.

Steve Jobs was not only hated by Microsoft.

He was an asshole who did rich person bullshit to park in handicap parking spaces without consequences, he was also hated by people who were not his competition.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by yencabulator »

beej71 wrote: post #132
maccard wrote: post #15

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They do come from the ePrivacy directive but; > if you want to store data on the user's browser you do need to get their consent, hence the cookie banner. No - you need consent for storing cookies that are not “strictly necessary”. I can implement an offline app that stores data in cookies without consent. The current usage of the banner is overly litigious US focused simplification combined with malicious compliance…

Do you have an example of a maliciously-complying website? Virtually all remotely popular websites deliberately use unnecessary cookies.

Wanting to use unnecessary cookies is their choice, not something a law forced on them.

Non-malicious compliance with privacy laws would mean respecting people's privacy.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by scott_w »

throw8484949ii wrote: post #153
scott_w wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just because I have small profits, does not mean i sell drugs! I never said anything about drugs. I’m talking about doing illegal things with people’s data. > And than you get different offical, with different opinion. Their advice have same weight as weather forecast! If you’re getting audited this often you are DEFINITELY playing fast and loose with the rules. I have no sympathy for you.

You said "shady shit"! Deleting some data a few days/weeks or months latter too late is not "shady shit"! You obviously have no idea how business here works! Some gov offical will tell you to delete data for GDPR. Some other gov offical will ask for the same data latter, to prove tax records or people complied with vacine mandates! You get fined from both sides! Every two years there is a big law reform of some area,…

> You said "shady shit"!

Look, I don’t think English is your first language, so I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but it’s getting really tiring having to explain basic things like “context” to you. I’m obviously meaning in the context of data governance. I’m accusing you of selling customer data to unscrupulous characters, to be precise.

> You obviously have no idea how business here works! Some gov offical will tell you to delete data for GDPR. Some other gov offical will ask for the same data latter, to prove tax records or people complied with vacine mandates! You get fined from both sides!

Either you’re bullshitting me or you live in Eastern Europe and need to give kickbacks to stay in business. If the latter, that’s not the GDPR’s fault. It’s the fault of your government for not being able to draft law.

> Every two years there is a big law reform of some area, while other areas with conflicting laws are still in effects.

That’s not the GDPR, that’s your country having a poor grasp of how to make law. It’s a different problem and I’d recommend either lobbying your local representative or just leave to a sane country which will let you do business.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by mstaoru »

scott_w wrote: post #141
mstaoru wrote: post #134

I don't quite understand GDPR though as it theoretically let's me remove my personal data from benign websites, but doesn't let me remove my data where I would really want it removed, e.g. (my personal nemesis) SCHUFA, CRIF, Boniversum - which are all private companies. SCHUFA is especially bad. They gather some strange data, and then "based on statistical analysis" give you a rating that is completely disconnected f…

While you might hate them, you don’t want your data to be removed from their systems. If you’re having a hard time accessing credit with them, imagine what happens when you try to access credit as a ghost.

Right. The problem is, I do not need credit, but in Germany most landlords ask for this SCHUFA report to consider a rental application. They get 100s of applications (there is housing shortage), so not having any report is not working. And if you are a new expat without a permanent address, or you didn't know and tried to check how much something would be with installments (which triggers the application procedure and the rejection - all in one click often), or you just didn't like your first apartment and moved, or you didn't like your first bank, didn't close your credit card, and opened another bank with another credit card - your score is going to go down the drain. Thankfully now at least they have a report on "why" you have a low score. Before Sep 2025 it was just "low" and no explanation. You can check here https://www.schufa.de/en/scoring-data/new-score/index.jsp
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