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You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by varispeed »

blfr wrote: post #33

Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe. Yeah, you care about these little things. It is also definitely true that the regulations are largely written by people who do not understand the tech they're regulating and its potential. Again, not some weird controversial point…

The purpose of GDPR was never data protection or privacy. It was designed to legitimise data trade and give corporations legal basis for selling and processing the data where before that it was a grey area. If you look at it through that lens, it will make sense.

Regulators are just a potemkin village thing to make it look like the law is serving ordinary person.

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Post by brainwad »

9dev wrote: post #26
brainwad wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browsers already had a way to consent to cookies, since the invention of cookies themselves. But the EU didn't consider that _real_ consent.

Treating the browser's "disable cookies" feature as a way to reject consent is not real consent . That cripples many legitimate use cases outright; it's neither accessible nor understandable by normal users; it's a technical defence measure, not a way to consciously reject contractual consent. In contrast, the GDPR demands that you properly ask for consent if you want to process somebody's personal information, infor…

Most browsers in the 00s had a "always ask" option for cookies. Nobody used it, because it's as annoying as gdpr dialogs now are. But it existed.

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Post by Semaphor »

blfr wrote: post #33

Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe. Yeah, you care about these little things. It is also definitely true that the regulations are largely written by people who do not understand the tech they're regulating and its potential. Again, not some weird controversial point…

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Post by nonethewiser »

blfr wrote: post #33

Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe. Yeah, you care about these little things. It is also definitely true that the regulations are largely written by people who do not understand the tech they're regulating and its potential. Again, not some weird controversial point…

You know GDPR is bad based on what it is

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by foldr »

jampekka wrote: post #11

GDPR itself is quite a good law. It's implementation and enforcement are not. E.g. the nag problem would have been solved simply and effectively with something like do-not-track header (probably as OS setting, as apps are often even worse than websites with tracking). Also enforcement of obvious violations taking years and years, especially against large corporations, means it's just violated all the time. EU also fa…

The do-not-track header is a nice idea but could never have worked. The GDPR is based on the idea that you can only store certain data about users if you have their consent to do so. Bearing in mind that most users have no idea what a header is and no idea how to configure their browsers, a user simply not sending a particular header does not imply consent to store information beyond that which is absolutely necessary for use of the site.

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Post by nonethewiser »

marcle wrote: post #52

Tobacco control advocates sometimes referred to a "scream test": the more vigorously the industry opposed a measure, the more likely that the measure was effective.

Yeah but don't tobacco control advocates want to kill the tobacco industry? We don't want to kill the tech industry - surely the tech industry's pain is widely felt sometimes.

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Post by mft_ »

Semaphor wrote: post #63
blfr wrote: post #33

Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe. Yeah, you care about these little things. It is also definitely true that the regulations are largely written by people who do not understand the tech they're regulating and its potential. Again, not some weird controversial point…

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Meta, but what’s the point of engaging in a discussion forum and writing a comment only to back out of actually discussing the points you disagree with?

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Post by amiga386 »

brainwad wrote: post #10
ChrisSD wrote: post #6

Note that GDPR did not mandate the cookie banners we see everywhere today. Those are a form of malicious compliance. Their goal is not to conform to regulation but to undermine the regulation itself in the eyes of the public.

The cookie banners come from the earlier ePrivacy Directive, and while it was possible to comply by not storing cookies at all, if you want to store data on the user's browser you do need to get their consent, hence the cookie banner.

The banner is not needed for the website to work, otherwise how would the "decline" button work? They can store cookies, otherwise how would they remember your choice? They can track a functional session just fine, full shopping cart and checkout if they want.

What they can't do, not without your opt-in consent, is track the fuck out of you. Non-functional tracking. Analytical tracking. Behavioural tracking. Tying that tracking to an identity. Selling the data about that identity's behaviour to advertisers, to data brokers, to whoever pays.

The banner gets in your face and loudly prefers you press "accept" because if you do -- $$$$ CA-CHING!!! $$$$ -- they now have your opt-in consent to sell visitor data.

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