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You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Treating the browser's "disable cookies" feature as a way to reject consent is not real consent . That cripples many legitimate use cases outright; it's neither accessible nor understandable by normal users; it's a technical defence measure, not a way to consciously reject contractual consent. In contrast, the GDPR demands that you properly ask for consent if you want to process somebody's personal information, infor…

Most browsers in the 00s had a "always ask" option for cookies. Nobody used it, because it's as annoying as gdpr dialogs now are. But it existed.

Yeah, but that's still way too narrow to capture what the law is about. The GDPR doesn't really care about cookies, or storing data on clients in some way. Instead, it's about end-users giving informed consent to processing their data. Not just by hand-waving away some disclaimer, but actually conscious of the consequences of that action, and why it is necessary to do so.

I know this sounds all lofty and Brussels ivory-tower-ish, but I'm absolutely convinced it's the only sensible way to deal with personal information - even if American companies insist on forcing a new normal of lacking privacy on all of us.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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The reasoning treats a correlated characteristic as a causal mechanism. successful person → unusual trait And infer: unusual trait → success The most popular example of this in tech (that never seems to die) is when people notice moments where Steve Jobs was an asshole, or he said no directly to customers, and infer they need to be more like this because it's the unusual trait they're missing and need to emulate. FDR…

TFA talks exclusively about being hated by the right people. If you are only hated by the right people (yes, I made an adjustment there), it's probalby not because you are a jerk. Come on.

Steve Jobs was against the "status quo" of Windows users, hated by "the right people", people that wanted to keep the OS monopoly. So why are you against his management style, do you not want people to succeed? Do you see how the caveat actually does nothing? I steered away from it because "the right people" is highly subjective, especially in a political context.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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post #81

The reasoning treats a correlated characteristic as a causal mechanism. successful person → unusual trait And infer: unusual trait → success The most popular example of this in tech (that never seems to die) is when people notice moments where Steve Jobs was an asshole, or he said no directly to customers, and infer they need to be more like this because it's the unusual trait they're missing and need to emulate. FDR…

google naggs you exactly once.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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post #85

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Lack of do-not-track header is not a consent to track of course. It's just signaling non-consent.

I take your point. It would be nice to have a header that effectively just automatically canceled all the consent pop ups for you. But there are still some issues. 1) You'd have to find a way of writing the regulations without baking in particular technical assumptions about the web. The current GDPR talks about general principles of consent and data processing, not the specifics of cookies, headers, etc. 2) People c…

1) is not a problem. This is actually already defined technology neutrally in GDPR: "the data subject may exercise his or her right to object by automated means using technical specifications". For specific implementations the law can defer to e.g. standards, as is also very common in legislation.

In general defining laws technology neutrally is bread and butter of legislation, there are just a lot of misconceptions that laws are about specific techniques.

2) you can easily make a non-intrusive UI for that.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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post #33

Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe. Yeah, you care about these little things. It is also definitely true that the regulations are largely written by people who do not understand the tech they're regulating and its potential. Again, not some weird controversial point…

> Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe.

No one is surprised that anyone is annoyed by the banners. But it doesn’t make sense to be annoyed at the law¹ instead of the perpetrators. If someone is deliberately putting pebbles in your shoes you should get annoyed at the person doing it, not the pebble.

The GDPR doesn’t require websites to have those banners², nor do they require them to be annoying³. That’s a choice the websites make. Every time you are annoyed at the GDPR because of those banners, you have been manipulated by the website to be mad at the wrong thing.

Imagine restaurants are pissing in their soup. This has become so rampant that a law comes out saying that if you pee in soup, you must warn your customers and give them the option for a pee-free soup. Restaurant then start serving you soup but before letting you eat force you to unwrap hundreds of layers of cellophane. You get so mad at it, “I just want to eat my soup, I don’t care about the pee, what a stupid law”. You should instead be mad that they were pissing in your soup in the first place, and when you see a restaurant doing the cellophane shenanigan you should leave in search of another which doesn’t pee in your soup.

¹ Unless you are annoyed that it is too lenient and think there should’ve been no option at all and that data collection should’ve been outright forbidden, not given a “consent” option that is abused.

² You can choose to not disregard people’s privacy.

³ Quite the contrary, the law requires that rejection be as easy as acceptance.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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there is a whole campaign online about hating on the EU & its regulations.

I dunno, recently traveling through Europe I mentally “joined” the campaign by seeing the ridiculousness for myself. I very much support their ideals and their people-centered mindset. But in execution it’s that meme: US rocket lands in slow motion on reusable pad, Chinese rocket lands in slow motion on reusable pad, European hand in slow motion closes a water bottle cap that is permanently attached to the bottle and…

Does the slowly landing rocket in any way improve live for ordinary people?

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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You don’t need to hire such a person since you’re way too small for the thresholds. And besides, if you’re unable to accept that you have a social responsibility when you run a business, I don’t know what to tell you? You also have to keep up with other regulations; that’s the price of doing business. And the churn you’re talking about is way less than you make it to be; it’s not like there is change every month. We…

> You don’t need to hire such a person since you’re way too small for the thresholds

> You also have to keep up with other regulations; that’s the price of doing business

Which one is it then? As small business I am suppose to follow all that ethical regulation bs, the same way as large company, without hiring extra peolle? But I should do it unpaid, in my free time (sleep less, or quit day job)?

Keep on mind I get lower salary than garbage man!

> they absolutely value if you’ve tried your

I do not "store data",. I have a free gmail account, I do not have a "data retention policy". But by GDPR i have to follow the same rules a s facebook!

> they absolutely value if you’ve tried your best....

My absolute best is to check once every a few years. That is not going to fly with goverment!

The only real help I got in past 5 years was AI! It can explain new changes, and audit my workflow, without paying 100x my salary to some consultant!

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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post #84
post #33

Banner gets a lot of attention because of the never-ending annoyance it's causing. It's like being surprised that someone would care about something so small as a little rock in their shoe. Yeah, you care about these little things. It is also definitely true that the regulations are largely written by people who do not understand the tech they're regulating and its potential. Again, not some weird controversial point…

I think GDPR is more good than bad, but the author's example of surveillance capitalism is easily repeated on most EU news sites. Visit bild.de and watch the network inspector light up like a christmas tree. Do you really feel your privacy is being respected? The 996 partners banner is just the piss take that supposedly makes this legal.

Bild doesn’t have one bit of respect for their readers, it’s no too surprising.

What people are missing is that before GDPR the threat of sharing data with 3rd party wasn’t seen as serious by most of the population. GDPR establishes clear rights people have, and a framework for companies to work in this new space, which changed the assumptions people have regarding their own data and privacy, in a positive way. People now in the EU have an explicit concept of consent for the use of personal data. That’s a really big deal

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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there is a whole campaign online about hating on the EU & its regulations.

I dunno, recently traveling through Europe I mentally “joined” the campaign by seeing the ridiculousness for myself. I very much support their ideals and their people-centered mindset. But in execution it’s that meme: US rocket lands in slow motion on reusable pad, Chinese rocket lands in slow motion on reusable pad, European hand in slow motion closes a water bottle cap that is permanently attached to the bottle and…

> But in execution it’s that meme: (…)

If you agree with that meme, you’ve fallen for the manipulative narrative of lobbyists¹. Bottle caps are a massive problem (as is plastic in general) on the environment (you know, the thing we all live in) and the regulation is already having an impact. There will be more regulating the uses of plastic. If you don’t know why the bottle caps are so problematic, you live a privileged life and are being shielded from the reality your fellow human beings have to endure (but will eventually feel the effects just the same).

We don’t fucking need rockets right now, what we need is to stop poisoning ourselves. True progress is not inventing new technology, it’s understanding how to properly use what we have and reject what is harmful.

¹ Which is not a dig on you; we’re all susceptible to be tricked by these massive corporations whose only goal is to extract value from us. I’m on your side.

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